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#1 ·
I'm sorry but this so called "shocker" is about the absolute biggest piece of crap I've ever seen. It's not the shock value, it's WHY it happened.

I'm sorry but this is just a joke. Gee, I wonder how many times ANY fighter has gotten completely trashed and "terrorized" women. Hmm, a drunk guy trying to get laid, yeah, real unclassy to the sport.

I probably couldn't even count the amount of times on my fingers and toes how many times a fighter has gotten drunk and pulled that "I'm a UFC fighter!" bullshit to some kind of cop/security. As far as the window, big freaking deal man. 16 guys get trashed and completely WRECK a house, not make it messy, but WRECK it. Destroy the walls, staircase, furniture and that's not inappropriate? Gee why don't you kick all the fighters off the show for inappropriate behavior.

I'm really feeling bad for Jesse right now. Sure he may have acted like a jackass but this is something that you can't cound as "inexcusable". This is the same show that had Chris Leben on camera claiming how he wanted to kill people and "cripple Josh Koscheck", same show that had Jeremy May claiming he was going to come to everyones house and shoot them, but a guy gets too trashed and harasses some chicks?

I sincerely think the UFC wanted this show to end on that kind of note, like a real big "shocker", even if I believe this banishment was completely not necessary. If anything this was just a poor reason to try and bring the hype machine CB Dalloway back into the competition after Amir almost snapped his arm in half.

Seriously, there has been some real bad decisions on TUF, but Jesse Taylor just got the worst shafting I have ever seen on the show, what shit.
 
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#4 · (Edited)
It was like a gift from the gods above. A situation that just landed in Dana White's lap and he took advantage of it. Just complete and utter bullshit.

Edit: He deserved what he get? Yeah, in this case Jesse Taylor was the first UFC fighter to ever get completely drunk and harass some girls. Yeah, he "deserved it".

Interesting that Chris Leben was a full time alcoholic on the show, not to mention threatened to kill Bobby Southworth and cripple Josh Koscheck. Oh and the fact that he didn't stop drinking after the show and got a DUI for his troubles, yet he's scheduled to fight Michael Bisping in a few months. Melvin Guillard gets busted for crack and threatens to kill fighters yet he was invited back. Rob Emerson traveled in a pack to beat up on defenseless people on the street but he fights in the UFC.

For someone to say Jesse Taylor deserved to get kicked out of the finals because of something so shitty and has probably happened countless times to fighters is clearly bias towards the fact that Jesse Taylor is a "boring, lay and pray blanket". Opportunity came knocking and the UFC answered the door, there was a clear cut opening to get CB back in the competition and goddamnit it worked. Jesse Taylor got shafted and there's not a damn way around it.
 
#6 ·
He might be back but it's complete crap that the UFC can control who fights who just as easy as that because of how popular and recommended a fighter is. Jesse Taylor deserved to be in the finals and got drunk and harassed some girls. CB Dalloway almost gets his arm snapped in half and has been hyped by Dana White this ENTIRE show and there you have it, there's your final. If I were Jesse Taylor I wouldn't want to come back after that shafting.

Edit: Haha, now someone is calling Jesse Taylor a "rapist", too cute.
 
#52 ·
He might be back but it's complete crap that the UFC can control who fights who just as easy as that because of how popular and recommended a fighter is.

HELLO??????????

UFC control who fights? Is that BS?

How bout hold off title fights so a television show can tape for several months?

How bout they are an entertainment organization which is delivering entertainment content. They WILL ALWAYS do what is right for ratings/money.

Unlike BOXING, where the WBC, WBO, WBA, and/or IBF sanction fights and champions, which DOES NOT GET ALL THE PROFITS FROM THE FIGHTS, the UFC DOES and this makes them corrupt in that it is intheir BEST financial interest to setup fights.
 
#8 ·
they essentially encourage the guys to destroy a multi million dollar mansion, but then kick off a finalist for kicking a window in a limo...

ohhhhhh kkkkkkkkk
 
#11 ·
I imagine he did what any young drunk guy in Vegas would do. Try to get them to come back to his place, she rejected him and he started getting loud and obnoxious.

They sure did think of a great, effective word to describe his action, "terrorize". Haha give me a break. I guess 90% of Las Vegas/UFC fighters could be classified as "terrorizers". Because instantly you see the word "terror" and you think the most vile things possible.

What a screw job.
 
#13 ·
I'm guessing 'terrorized' was used to make the situation sound even worse. In this case, 'terrorized' likely translates into 'hit on'. I don't agree with being overly dramatic. Had he really 'terrorized' women, he likely would have wound up in jail. I agree that the situation was made to sound a hell of a lot worse than it likely was.
 
#18 ·
I have to disagree, my friend.

What happens on the show between fighters is not the same as what goes on in the real world. It's ok (in the UFC's mind) for the fighters to break stuff and talk shit, threaten other fighters, because the UFC owns the property they're destroying and the UFC tells them they can go do and say whatever as long as they don't actually fight in the house.

Jesse got wasted, walked into a casino owned by the FERTITTA BROTHERS, and apparently causes a serious disturbance and caps it off by pulling out the worst douche bag line ever, "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?" And caps it off by associating himself with the UFC. The truth is neither you nor I know what Jesse did to "terrorize" women in the casino, but because the Fertitta's run the casino, Dana should know exactly what happened. But if I went to a property owned by my bosses and made my company look like dog crap, I GUARANTEE you I would be gone.

I feel bad that Jesse lost his big shot but he brought this on himself.

As for other fighters with legal troubles, I agree the UFC should take a much harder stance against offenders.
 
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#20 · (Edited)
So your case is if it's in the house it's fine, but outside it's not. Okay.

Your second point was he got wasted and walked into a Fertitta Brothers casino and said "Do you know who I am?" Yes, this is clearly inexecusable since it was in a Fertitta Brothers casino and not another casino, or bar, or hotel, or club, or any kind of party where I'm sure countless other fighters have gotten drunk and got out of hand.

You know what, you're absolutely right, we have no idea what Jesse actually did too, so let's just do some math. He wasn't arrested, charges weren't pressed, he's a young guy in Vegas. Just shut up and put two and two together man. The guy hit on some girls, started to get loud, obnoxious, call them names. Security shows up and he says "Do you know who I am?".

Need I express this issue again because it's not coming in clear enoughm, Chris Leben was just PRISONED for another DUI after being shown as a full fledged drunk on TUF and threatening to kill and cripple people, oh yeah I forgot, because it's in the house that's okay. Yet he's still co-headlining a UFC fight against Michael Bisping, good thing CB Dalloway wasn't the replacement for Leben. And yet I express this again, Melvin Guillard got busted with possession of CRACK, Rob Emerson travels with a pack of fratboys and beats up random defenseless people on the streets. For the love of god get off this shit about how he "brought it on himself". He gets drunk like 90% of fighters in the UFC and who have gotten out of hand, but not excessive. JT was a clear victim of the UFC wanting a certain fighter in the finals and bam, opportunity came knocking.

Those of you defending that Jesse Taylor deserved to get banished from the finale because of THIS seriously needs another outlook on life in general and really need to re-evaluate your morales. And more importantly, needs to quit being spoon fed by this whole "he lay and prays!" crap so this is a perfectly good reason to kick him out of the finale because CB Dalloway almost got his arm snapped in half.

Edit: Yeah they didn't just put him back in the finals, but it was the fact that they knew they'd have an opportunity to bring him back and give him another shot. And they're not stupid, they knew that Tim didn't stand much of a chance against him. They figured CB would take him down like Jesse did and hold him there and that's what he WOULD have done, only I'm sure CB was tenative taking him down since he just came off from an arm bar loss.

Clear cut for CB to get to the finals, that's why this all happened. Boring wrestler, Rampages hype machine and #1 pick. This whole season Dana hyped up CB to be this machine, he clearly isn't, and that's why this happened.
 
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So your case is if it's in the house it's fine, but outside it's not. Okay.
In so many words... Yes. TUF is a reality TV show my friend, the fighters are allowed, if not encouraged, to behave in a manner that elicits a reaction from fellow fighters and gets viewers to feel strongly about them one way or the other.

Your second point was he got wasted and walked into a Fertitta Brothers casino and said "Do you know who I am?" Yes, this is clearly inexecusable since it was in a Fertitta Brothers casino and not another casino, or bar, or hotel, or club, or any kind of party where I'm sure countless other fighters have gotten drunk and got out of hand.

You know what, you're absolutely right, we have no idea what Jesse actually did too, so let's just do some math. He wasn't arrested, charges weren't pressed, he's a young guy in Vegas. Just shut up and put two and two together man. The guy hit on some girls, started to get loud, obnoxious, call them names. Security shows up and he says "Do you know who I am?".
Getting wasted is a reason for his behavior it's not an excuse. Yes being drunk and obnoxious, if not abusive and violent for all we know, to customers of your bosses business ventures should be grounds for immediate termination. Especially once he brings the UFC's name into it by saying he is with the UFC.

Need I express this issue again because it's not coming in clear enoughm, Chris Leben was just PRISONED for another DUI after being shown as a full fledged drunk on TUF and threatening to kill and cripple people, oh yeah I forgot, because it's in the house that's okay. Yet he's still co-headlining a UFC fight against Michael Bisping, good thing CB Dalloway wasn't the replacement for Leben. And yet I express this again, Melvin Guillard got busted with possession of CRACK, Rob Emerson travels with a pack of fratboys and beats up random defenseless people on the streets. For the love of god get off this shit about how he "brought it on himself". He gets drunk like 90% of fighters in the UFC and who have gotten out of hand, but not excessive. JT was a clear victim of the UFC wanting a certain fighter in the finals and bam, opportunity came knocking.
You do not need to reiterate your point, to me at least, because I agreed with you that the UFC should be significantly more strict with fighters who break the law. Just thought I would reiterate that.

As to the no charges were filed so everything is ok, I've seen some horrible fights and displays in public that never resulted in legal action. So to say that since no charges were filed equates to "boys being boys," well that is not automatically the case.

Those of you defending that Jesse Taylor deserved to get banished from the finale because of THIS seriously needs another outlook on life in general and really need to re-evaluate your morales. And more importantly, needs to quit being spoon fed by this whole "he lay and prays!" crap so this is a perfectly good reason to kick him out of the finale because CB Dalloway almost got his arm snapped in half.
Why should I get a new outlook on life because I think that people should face serious consequences for their own bad behavior. I liked Jesse on the show much more than CB. Although I don't know either of them personally, obviously, CB seemed like an arrogant douche and Jesse seemed like a lovable idiot. But it certainly seems possible that he has a serious substance abuse problem that leads him to act in a destructive manor.

Yeah they didn't just put him back in the finals, but it was the fact that they knew they'd have an opportunity to bring him back and give him another shot. And they're not stupid, they knew that Tim didn't stand much of a chance against him. They figured CB would take him down like Jesse did and hold him there and that's what he WOULD have done, only I'm sure CB was tenative taking him down since he just came off from an arm bar loss.

Clear cut for CB to get to the finals, that's why this all happened. Boring wrestler, Rampages hype machine and #1 pick. This whole season Dana hyped up CB to be this machine, he clearly isn't, and that's why this happened.
Does CB have some large national following I don't know about?
 
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#21 ·
I'd be pretty embarassed if one of my new hires was running around my hotel saying 'Do you know who I am?', kicking out windows, and telling people 'I am a UFC fighter'.

I understand why he did it, I probably would've done something different. He deserved some disipline, but man he destroyed the competition and earned that spot. He looked devastated and I felt like shit watching it. Hopefully he'll be back and face the winner in some hyped up UFN fight.
 
#22 ·
Screaming "do you know who I am? I'm a UFC fighter" is a little less effective then coke and DUI charges.

Honestly dude, how many times do you think a young fighter in the UFC has gotten trashed and said something on the likes of that? It's not illegal, and he didn't hurt anyone.

There is no simple, rashional explanation why they kicked him off other then the fact they wanted CB back in the competition, plain and simple.
 
#23 ·
It probably didn't help that Jesse wasn't the most entertaining fighter, but really I don't think it's that much about CB. I think Amir is 10x more marketable then CB to be quite honest, and probably has more raw potential.

Tim Credeur wasn't a guarentee win either, having CB lose twice would've left him looking really bad.

Still, Jesse deserved better.
 
#24 ·
Yeah, Tim was pretty much a guarentee'd win, they may have underestimated him but Jesse Taylor controled him the entire fight, CB Dalloway would have done the same thing if he wasn't tenative to take him down after almost getting his arm snapped in half.

And you're absolutely right, Jesse was a boring fighter which didn't help him. Like I said before, Jesse is boring, CB was a hype machine and highly acclaimed on the show.

Put it this way, if CB Dalloway did the exact same thing Jesse did nothing would have been made of it. Hell we probably wouldn't even know of it, and if we did people would say "Haha CB that dude is crazy man!".
 
#25 ·
Yeah, they destroyed the house, but Dana told him, "Be professional." They were told it was ok to destroy the house, who the hell told him it would be ok to kick out the window of a limo?
 
#26 ·
Who told Melvin Guillard it was okay to have possession of crack?

Dude breaks a window, gets drunk and makes a scene and people are ready to crucify him as if he did something so vulgar and wrong and something that young guys in the UFC have never done before, get some morales people.
 
#27 ·
Melvin was put on probation also, and couldn't fight. If you watched the episode, Dana told him, "You have the physical talent, but you aren't where you need to be emotional and mentally. Go home, get your life together, and call me in a few months." Dana isn't just completely putting him aside, he's still going to give him a chance.
 
#30 ·
I distinctly remember from the episode Dana saying "That's it, he's out of the UFC".

And yes, Melvin Guillard could fight, in fact he fought Rich Clementi, to where he threatend to kill him before and after the fight.

I don't care what makes reality TV or not, destroying a house is about as ethical as getting drunk in public.

He were abusive and violent he would have been arrested and charges would have been dropped, neither of them occurred so it was him saying obscene words and being loud. Dude, if he "fought" at the casino it would have been shown on the episode. You're assuming way too much to back your theory up. The dude didn't fight anyone or get violent and yes, he would have been arrested. They would have said so on the show if anything of that occurrence happened and they wouldnt have brought it to him so gently if he got VIOLENT for christ sake.

When I said people need a new outlook on life I was just simply stating that these things happen ALL THE TIME and it's not a big deal, and I'm sure it's not the first time with a young UFC fighter. If people think this is the first time it's happened and the consequences were justified and that it was so wrong and vile, then yeah they need a new outlook on how they look at things.

No, but Dana did hype him up at the start of the show. I especially loved it when they mic'd up Dana White for CB's fight against Nick just to hear him say "This kid is ******* good man". Jesse isn't exciting, CB has credentials, no he doesn't have a large following but the odds are in favor towards him.
 
#31 ·
I distinctly remember from the episode Dana saying "That's it, he's out of the UFC".

And yes, Melvin Guillard could fight, in fact he fought Rich Clementi, to where he threatend to kill him before and after the fight.
Who the hell said he couldn't fight? I said he got put on probation (and he didn't fight while he was on probation).

And Dana did say that, and he told him to call him when he got his stuff together, I guarantee that we'll see Jesse Taylor in the UFC before this year ends.
 
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