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#1 ·
I know there are ton of Aoki fans on this sight, but can this fight please put to rest this Aoki hype to rest. I dont wanna hear excuses about him fighting at WW, because unlike BJ against GSP. Aoki was the bigger man agains Sak. All AOki has to do is fight a guy that can strike with good submission defense and he is exposed.

Hansen has KO'd him recently at LW, and now Sakurai Ko's him in 27 seconds. BJ may have ogt beat up by GSP, but Sak is no GSP and BJ last 4 grueling rounds with a man that outweighed him by 20 pounds.

Both AOki and BJ belong at LW but BJ showed me that he is so superior to Aoki by watching what Sakurai did to him. I would love for BJ to go to Japan for one fight to fight Aoki. The result would be exactly like the Sakurai fight. BJ would nulify any sub attempt Aoki threw at him, then he would punch and knee his face into oblivion.

On a side not, Aoki is much bigger than I thought he was. I dont think size was an issue in this fight with Sak He just got outclassed. And Im very happy about it.

Edit: BJ would beat Sakurai, and beat him easily.
 
#2 ·
This is retarded. He got caught. Just like he got caught against Hansen. It doesn't mean anything, he has fought good strikers with sub defense and beaten them before.

I don't think he'd beat BJ, but to say he somehow got "exposed" because Mach Ko'd him is nuts.
 
#3 ·
He got caught, hes fought good strikers with sub defense before and won.

I don't think he'd beat Bj either, but saying hes been exposed is completely ridiculous. But thank you for your thread. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
 
#4 ·
I agree. All this fight shows is that he is succeptable to ko frm a vicious knee. It didn't show a damn thing in fact.

Hell, according to your "logic", GSP got exposed by serra. And, had arlovski ko'd fedor in a small amount of time, he would have been exposed. Just ridiculous.

You can keep hating on him for whatever reasin you are making up, but it still won't matter. His record still proves you wrong.
 
#5 ·
He got caught?

He got overpowered, and reversed and got kneed and punched in the face repeatedly.

Getting caught is Chuck/Rashad, Wandy/Rampage. Aoki just got overwhlemed.
 
#6 ·
He got the take down, sakurai scored a good reversal and landed a brutal knee. How can you make a fight with practically. three moves appear to be so much?

That fight was over after the knee. He got caught.

I also love how you feel the need to make a thread dogging the fans of Aoki. I may just have to make a similar thread about Shogun after Chuck KO's him. Then you will understand how ridiculous this thread is.

Edit: in fact, I still have Aoki as the #1 LW in the world because a loss over a WW has no bearing on the LW rankings. Even if you are right and that Penn would beat Aoki easily, they aren't going to fight so that has no bearing on it till it happens. The P4P rankings are allowed to be subjective, not so much the weight class rakings. Aoki's LW ranking, especially as of late, is more impressive. That may change if Penn beats Florian, but before that, Aoki is on the top of the list.
 
#7 ·
I'll never stop being a huge fan of my Shiny Pants Wonder Boy- sucked to see him lose but Mach nailed him with the knee after the reversal and that was that. I think Shinya was a little surprised by how Mach came after him so quickly and then got nailed.

I won't fall off a fighter's nuts I root for just after one loss- especially in MMA.

Shinya will rebound from this. :thumbsup:
 
#10 ·
Has BJ gotten knocked out at LW recently? No

Has Aoki? Yes

Would BJ beat Aoki? Yes

BJ has beaten just as tough of guys as Aoki at LW, except he hasnt lost. Sherk is better than anyone Aoki has ever faught. Sherk is a better LW than Aoki.

I just dont know how anyone can like a guy that doesnt fight. In my opinion he fights like a bitch. It may be effective most of the time, but he still fights like a bitch.

And dont give me the excuse that Mach is a WW Mach is no WW. He just doesnt choose to cut weight. He could easily make LW. In fact he was a top 5 LW for the past 5 years. Did you see the size advantage Hughes had over Mach when they faught. Even Aoki dwarfed Mach.

And that old man Chuck is not going to KO Shogun. If he finishes Shogun it will be late in the fight but it wont be a flush KO. Shogun is gonna surprise alot of people. I think he is going to go the distance and get robbed of a decision win.

But back to topic. BJ > Aoki and its not even close
 
#11 ·
I like Aoki but BJ is a much better fighter. I don't know about whether or not BJ would beat Mach though because he has shown a lot of overconfidence in his one dimensional standup over the past several fights and if he tried that with Mach he could get knocked out or get his knee blown out by one of those leg kicks. He is the better fighter but the better fighter doesn't always win at the top levels of the sport.
 
#12 · (Edited)
i agree with BJ > Aoki, but i honestly dont believe he got exposed like how Crocop and Chuck Liddell did. He did get caught and lost, we all know in the world of MMA anything could happen in any given day.

To me, it seemed like Sakurai was very well prepared and ready to FINISH THE FIGHT. I was impressed compare to his last fight against mediocre level fighter

I do hope this though, Aoki needs some STAND-UP skills if he wants to be #1 in MMA, not submission fighting.

It doesnt matter he got KOed on the ground, he needs to step it up and takes some punches to the face, instead of being too scared and taking fight to the ground which EVERYONE EXPECTS HIM TO DO NOW. Despite the fact that grappling is his strongest asset. Or at least learn how to properly GROUND N POUND and not hitting back of his opponent's head for 1-2 minutes.

*He was outweight by Sakurai who has tons of experience with KO POWER and he didnt have much time to put some weight n muscle on unlike BJ PENN who had couple of months.
 
#16 ·
By getting "caught", I don't mean that he ate a lucky punch/knee that ended the fight. I meant he ate a knee due to a mistake that ended the night. It is no disrespect towards Sakurai, it is simply an argument that you can't really determine much from the fight. Sakurai got a good reversal, which put him in a bad position, and ate a vicious knee from it. It barely gives you anything to extrapolate from. You can determine far more from GSP's domination of Penn than you can from one reversal and one knee.
 
#23 ·
This man speaks the truth.

BJ might win over Aoki if they fought, something we'll prolly never know, but that doesnt affect the LW rankings at all. Not even close.
If a fighter hasnt lost at in his weight division in years and dominates everyone he fights. Tehn when you match him up with #2 ranked guy and its clear he would knock that guys head off. It is so clear that BJ is #1. Aoki is a one trick pony, I dont know how anyone of you can stick up for him. Him and BJ arent even on the same level. Bj is a fighter. He punches, kicks, wrestles, has subsissions, has a great chin. Throws down with anyone, inlluding Machida COuld you imagine Aoki trying to trade with Machida He would but scott his ***** ass all over the ring. The dude fights like a bitch, plain and simple. Until he evolves his game, I will continue to hate him with all my heart.

And you guys that think he is the #1 LW just baffle me. IF BJ faught Aoki he would be a 2-1 favorite and would give him a beating. Even Aoki fans know this. But you only argue about AOki being #1 cuz you know they will never fight. Im done with this thread. Bj > Aoki and its not even close.
 
#24 ·
If a fighter hasnt lost at in his weight division in years and dominates everyone he fights. Tehn when you match him up with #2 ranked guy and its clear he would knock that guys head off. It is so clear that BJ is #1. Aoki is a one trick pony, I dont know how anyone of you can stick up for him. Him and BJ arent even on the same level. Bj is a fighter. He punches, kicks, wrestles, has subsissions, has a great chin. Throws down with anyone, inlluding Machida COuld you imagine Aoki trying to trade with Machida He would but scott his ***** ass all over the ring. The dude fights like a bitch, plain and simple. Until he evolves his game, I will continue to hate him with all my heart.

And you guys that think he is the #1 LW just baffle me. IF BJ faught Aoki he would be a 2-1 favorite and would give him a beating. Even Aoki fans know this. But you only argue about AOki being #1 cuz you know they will never fight. Im done with this thread. Bj > Aoki and its not even close.
Haha, this is awesome. This is by far the worst rebuttal to an argument I've ever seen. You didn't even attempt to address anything I said. This looks like game, set, and match for me. Or is this a verbal tapout from you ? ;)

As admitted, you are a hater plain and simple. It actualy amazes me because you must therefore hate royce gracie because he was a "One trick pony" as well.

Dogmatism is never pretty and you sir just showed a really ugly side of yourself :D
 
#17 ·
Bigger fighter? He was fighting at lightweight, essentially. I think he was arrogant going into this fight, or maybe just embracing that Japanese fight for entertainment attitude (much to his detriment). In any case, he's still the man.
 
#27 ·
These guys are right Jdun. I mean there was a time we all decided to rank Nog over Fedor when Fedor was off fighting MWs and freakshow matches and Nog was doign the legitimate thing. I doubt any of us had any doubt as to who would win if they squared off, but thats not how rankings work.
 
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#39 ·
Youo AOki fanboys claim all these grea wins from these "great" guys he's faught. Sherk would FCUK up any LW over in JApan and BJ KO'd and beat his face in doing it. In 2008, Aoki LOST to Hansen in devastating fashion. How the hell can a guy that lost at LW in 2008 be the #1 LW. He isnt even # 2 in my book. Sherk would fcuk up, guys like Thompson and Melendez would as well. Tyson Griffin, Kenny Florian are all better fighters than Aoki. He is just hype. His LW wins arent even that good. There are at least 5-6 guys in the UFC that would KO him in the first round. Alvarez mnade a stupid mistake and would beat him in a rematch. Any wrestler that can strike would mess this fool up.

I love grappling but this guy is afraid to fight. Same thing with Royce, afraid to get hit and never evolved. If Aoki doesnt expand his game and go to train on striing for a whole training camp or for a whole year, or work on wrestling for a whole year. He will not matter in 2 years. He will go the way of Gomi.
 
#41 ·
I love grappling but this guy is afraid to fight. Same thing with Royce, afraid to get hit and never evolved. If Aoki doesnt expand his game and go to train on striing for a whole training camp or for a whole year, or work on wrestling for a whole year. He will not matter in 2 years. He will go the way of Gomi.
OUCH.. yet i agree with you 100%.

the thing is that Aoki went to Thailand to train some Muay Thai for Eddie Alverez fight... i wonder what happened to that...? Wait that means he knows he needs to step it up on striking area... i certainly hope so.

*video Shinya training in Thailand is in youtube.com
 
#45 ·
I think Aoki should be ranked higher than BJ just because he has more wins over better opponents. BJ would almost definately beat Aoki if they ever fought IMO but that doesn't really mean much in terms of rankings.

Yea, Aoki lost to Hansen, but it was in a tourny after Aoki had a 3-round war with Uno, while Hansen's first fight lasted only 2 and a half minutes against a nobody. You said Alvarez just made a stupid mistake and would beat Aoki in a rematch, but that same exact thing could be said about Aoki and Mach.

I love Penn just as much as you jdun, but as of right now...TODAY...Aoki has beaten better opponents at LW. I do agree with you that BJ would beat him if they fought, and I do agree with you that Aoki is super one-dimensional and is not going to stay on top for much longer if he doesn't evolve his game. But other than that I think you're not using a lot of logic in ranking BJ over Aoki.

BJ has Sherk and Stevenson, and I dunno if Pulver is even worth mentioning.

Aoki has JZ, Uno, and Alvarez. Then 3 other wins that are comparable to BJ's win over Pulver in Nagata, Gardner, and Moore.

I think if BJ would fight more at LW he would have the #1 spot pretty easily. He just doesn't fight enough right now. If BJ beats Florian, I will probably put him at #1. So I basically think you just made this thread a little too early.
 
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