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UFC 61 BITTER RIVALS

UFC 61 Bitter Rivals, will be held on Saturday, July 8 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Date: 07/08/2006 10:00 PM
Event Type: PPV Live
Location: Mandalay Bay

Tim Sylvia Vs. Andrei Arlovski

Tito Ortiz Vs. Ken Shamrock

Dan Christison Vs. Frank Mir

Josh Burkman Vs. Josh Neer

Yves Edwards Vs. Joe Stevenson

Drew Fickett Vs. Kurt Pellegrino

Jeff Monson Vs. Anthony Perosh

Gilbert Aldana Vs. Cheick Kongo

Hermes Franca Vs. Joe Jordan

Featured on the card will be the concluding chapter of the trilogy between UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia and former champion Andrei Arlovski, and the long awaited rematch between arch-enemies Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock.

Sylvia, 30, won the title at UFC 59 on April 15 by getting up off the mat to stop Arlovski at 2:43 of the first round. The 6-foot-1, 265-pounder floored the “Pit Bull” with a right hand and quickly pounced with a flurry of punches, forcing the stoppage.

The 6-4, 240-pound Arlovski beat Sylvia in February of 2005 in a mere 47 seconds, forcing a submission with an ankle lock.

The score will be settled in July.

“I’m excited about going out there to fight Arlovski again,” said Sylvia. “He’s the best in the heavyweight division - next to me.”

The featured bout on the UFC 61 card will be another one that fans will be itching to see: Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock. The coaches from “The Ultimate Fighter 3” have been going at it for months during the show and will finally have the chance to settle their differences in the best way: battling it out in the octagon.

Not that the hatred between the two is anything new. Its roots can actually be traced to a 1999 UFC show in Bay St. Louis, Miss. Shamrock, who was coaching at the time, had one of his fighters go up against Ortiz, who was a newcomer to the scene. Ortiz won, but Shamrock felt his performance was disrespectful and the two had words.

They had a chance to settle things at UFC 40 in November of 2002. Ortiz won the fight by TKO after the third round when Shamrock’s corner felt its fighter had had enough.

The Spike TV show has obviously brought the rivalry back to a head.

Bet on Ortiz vs Shamrock

Bet on Sylvia vs Arlovski

Two Important Matchups Added to UFC 61 Card


There will be plenty on the line when UFC 61 – Bitter Rivals takes place at the Mandalay Bay Events Center on Saturday, July 8th, and not just in the featured bouts between Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock, and Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski.

In an intriguing heavyweight clash, former UFC champion Frank Mir will hope that his second comeback fight is more successful than his first when he tackles emerging contender Dan Christison. Frank Mir vs Dan Christison

At UFC 57 in February, over 16 months after a severe leg injury put him on the shelf, Mir returned to the Octagon against Brazil’s Marcio Cruz and was stopped in the first round. But with five more months of training to get his game back to where it was before the injury, the Las Vegan is ready to once again make a statement in the heavyweight division.

Standing in his way will be 6-8, 265 pound Dan Christison, a member of the cast of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’, season two, who made a huge splash in the big show on April 6th when he submitted season two TUF finalist Brad Imes in the second round of an entertaining war that was one of the best fights of 2006 thus far.

Also added to the UFC 61 card is a meeting of two highly-regarded welterweight prospects, Josh Neer and Josh Burkman.

Neer, a member of the renowned Miletich Fighting Systems team, scored his second Octagon win in April when he upset season two TUF welterweight winner Joe Stevenson via a hard-fought three round unanimous decision. On that same show, Utah’s Burkman suffered his first UFC loss when he was submitted by Jon Fitch in the second round. With the talent-rich welterweight division heating up, the winner of this match will make huge strides up the 170-pound ladder.
 
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#102 · (Edited)
Ken Shamrock said:
Man if you could see how angry my friend & I were at the ref stopping Ortiz/Shamrock, we were so pissed off I was ready to ****in' turn off the PPV after that bullshit. I was pulling for Shamrock to win so bad. I hope they have a 3rd fight and no bullshit stoppage. Shamrock would never give up like that.



Arlovski/Sylvia was an amazing fight, I was so happy it went all 5 rounds it was a very defensive fight but Sylvia landed the best shots.


Mir/Christison almost put my friend & I to sleep! We just kept making fun of how horribly slow that fight was.


Burkman/Neer was very good. It was beyond me why the crowd was booing, probably because of the bullshit of Ortiz/Shamrock. Burkman hit two amazing slams and it was obvious he was winning.


Yves bled pretty damn bad, it was just really nasty to see all over the octagon and they didn't clean it.
its hard to clean blood up properly on that kinda of surface in the middle of a series of matches without pulling the mats up and such.. they really had no choice.. if it were a boxing/wrestling style ring, they could change it out in minutes...
 
#104 ·
just like boxing

i'm sorry, but i feel the "new" UFC is bullshit. its become the same as boxing and its all about the money....Shamrock is my all time favorite tied with the Iceman, but i'm sorry to say i think the old timers are starting to take dives. think about it. not one can beat these guys at least once? Frank Shamrock can take tito, but ken who can take Frank cant? B.S. and when Ken fought rich Franklin, what was with the high kicks? when is the last time you saw a grappler kicking above the waist...lol..B.S. Gracie, who lives by never turning your back to someone....loses that way....lol....gets up and is fine...where is the fight? If Ken was to win this fight who would he fight next? No one, no money there, Tito wins....oh now we have a set up for the chuck liddell fight. good marketing if you ask me. i just miss when it was real fighting, but its all about sanctioning the fight in the U.S. and making money. Shit, i've been hit 10 times in a row and looked non responsive and then knocked the piss out of the guy....its happened a thousand times in the UFC before. I'm just really over it...my last fight will probably be Iceman/Ortiz 2 just to see a real non shit talker be victorious again and then i'm done.....sorry this is all over the road, i just woke up....
 
#105 ·
rara said:
i'm sorry, but i feel the "new" UFC is bullshit. its become the same as boxing and its all about the money....Shamrock is my all time favorite tied with the Iceman, but i'm sorry to say i think the old timers are starting to take dives. think about it. not one can beat these guys at least once? Frank Shamrock can take tito, but ken who can take Frank cant? B.S. and when Ken fought rich Franklin, what was with the high kicks? when is the last time you saw a grappler kicking above the waist...lol..B.S. Gracie, who lives by never turning your back to someone....loses that way....lol....gets up and is fine...where is the fight? If Ken was to win this fight who would he fight next? No one, no money there, Tito wins....oh now we have a set up for the chuck liddell fight. good marketing if you ask me. i just miss when it was real fighting, but its all about sanctioning the fight in the U.S. and making money. Shit, i've been hit 10 times in a row and looked non responsive and then knocked the piss out of the guy....its happened a thousand times in the UFC before. I'm just really over it...my last fight will probably be Iceman/Ortiz 2 just to see a real non shit talker be victorious again and then i'm done.....sorry this is all over the road, i just woke up....
Hmm, interesting observations... makes you wonder. However, I think Ken only has himself to blame for losing this one. After watching the replay a few times on Youtube, it was clear Ken was doing absolutely nothing to block or defend himself against those elbows, and regardless of what you think about UFC rules, Ken knows he needed to do that. Yes, I've seen some other UFC fights go longer under similar circumstances, but I don't think Ken took a dive here. I think he was rocked, and forgot where he was for a moment. His head was bouncing like a basketball. Sure, he got right up complaining about it afterwards, but that's a fighter's instinct. I've seen boxers who were so punch-drunk they couldn't even walk, arguing with the ref for stopping it.
 
#106 ·
Gman said:
Hmm, interesting observations... makes you wonder. However, I think Ken only has himself to blame for losing this one. After watching the replay a few times on Youtube, it was clear Ken was doing absolutely nothing to block or defend himself against those elbows, and regardless of what you think about UFC rules, Ken knows he needed to do that. Yes, I've seen some other UFC fights go longer under similar circumstances, but I don't think Ken took a dive here. I think he was rocked, and forgot where he was for a moment. His head was bouncing like a basketball. Sure, he got right up complaining about it afterwards, but that's a fighter's instinct. I've seen boxers who were so punch-drunk they couldn't even walk, arguing with the ref for stopping it.

Or when Ken Taps four times against Gracie and wasn't sure why the fight stopped....

Yes, you can't argue with it, but it was quick....
 
#107 ·
My assessment!

AA vs Sylvia: Horrible fight. Neither of them wanted the title, they didn't want to be knocked out. I liked AA's strategy and thought that he could win by out scoring Tim. The last round I think AA just wanted to go home. His jabs were a foot away. He couldn't have thought that he was winning at that point but I think he really did. Tim's hands looked faster than ever. These two guys respected each other way too much.

Ortiz vs Shamrock: Please let Ken retire already. Herb Dean had no choice. If you get hit with 6 bionic elbows without even putting one hand up or at least trying to avoid them, the ref has to stop that fight. Nice burst at first for Ken but the take down defense and overall wrestling skills of Tito took over quickly and then the rain of elbows started. Tito shouldn't waste any more of his time on this washed up fighter.

Mir vs Christinson: Mir looked completely drugged up (I've noticed a lot of the fighters look that way, and I don't mean steroids, I mean speed, coke, type of drugs). I didn't think he won the fight. Both of these guys need a lot of work if they would like to be seen in more fights.

Yves vs ?: Yves got cut bad and I thought he was going to bleed to death before big John sent him to see the doctor. It was good to let him finish the first round and then stop the fight.

Monson vs ?: Because of the 5 round bore fest I only got to see about 10 seconds of Monson smashing some guys face in. With no other contenders out there, this has to be the next guy that Tim will face. No use for Tim to fight Mir unless he just wants to beat the snot out of somebody.

It will be nice to see 2 super aggressive fighters like Wanderlei and Iceman go at it. I'm tiring of some of these guys that get their shot and then appear to be camera shy or something. Tank Abbott might have been a horrible tactical fighter but at least you knew that he was gonna keep throwing punches until the end of the fight.
 
#108 ·
Ortiz Is The Man!!!

This is why I love him!!!
Any woman loves a man who does what he says.
Shamrock should be ashamed not only does he come up short as a coach,
But you'd think he would retire with a little grace considering his history.
Move over grandpa!!!!
My Tito will only excel further from here.
But Next time honey........ a minute flat okay?
lol.
 
#110 ·
The only reason Shamrock went on Ultimate Fighter in the first place is because he knew he would get to fight Tito in the end. He wasn't there to train and he wasn't there to care. He was just waiting the whole thing out so he could have another chance with Tito again, the show was just a means to get him in the ring.
 
#111 ·
dork

Did anyone check out that dorky guy that was walking with Shamrock back to the locker room? He was real pissed off and was yelling at the camera. It made me laugh. :laugh:

Shamrock should be thanking the ref. he might have saved his life or at least any further brain damage.:confused:
 
#112 ·
Yup

I agree a million % with Octagon girl about Shamrock. He definatly just went through the motions for another crack at Ortiz. The fight, should've been stopped ( unfortunatly ) as hard as that is for me to admit because I love Shamrock. The elbows don't have to hurt, they just have to go un-answered. No other fighter would be given different treatment by the referee. The only thing this fight did for me was change my mind about Ken. When ya really think about it, a record of 26 - 10 - 2 ( going into Ken vs. Tito - II ) really ain't that good. Somebody remind me why he's a hall of famer???
 
#115 ·
For The Guy Who Dosent Like Blood !

Hey Bro ... If You Dont Like Blood Then You Need Not Be A Fighting Fan ..... I Personally Dont Like To See Bones Broken .. But Thats Way More Extreme Then Blood Which Is Part Of Fighting More Then Not ! Also ... For The People Who Dont Think Shamrock Whould Be Hall Of Fame ... When You Are One Of The First In The Sport And Had A Phisique Unlike Most Of The Others He Stood Out And Made Lots Of Fans So For Being One Of Teh First And Loooking The Way He Did Atracting People To The Sport Is Why He Is Hall Of Fame Is Far As I Am Concerned .
 
#116 ·
putmeonhold said:
. The only thing this fight did for me was change my mind about Ken. When ya really think about it, a record of 26 - 10 - 2 ( going into Ken vs. Tito - II ) really ain't that good. Somebody remind me why he's a hall of famer???

Well i take it you're not a fan then....he was also like a god in japan for shoot fighting. video games, movies, t.v. shows etc.....you really think he's only been in 38 fights? lol....research if you're a fan...i'm not on this forum much but i'm starting to wonder how many of the people on this board have actually been in a fight!
 
#117 ·
kixcanada said:
This is why I love him!!!
Any woman loves a man who does what he says.
Shamrock should be ashamed not only does he come up short as a coach,
But you'd think he would retire with a little grace considering his history.
Move over grandpa!!!!
My Tito will only excel further from here.
But Next time honey........ a minute flat okay?
lol.

please do me a favor and dissappear! can people please have a little respect for what these people go through to get where they've been and what they've given to you! I know for a fact that shamrock could destroy prolly any man you've dated or know to this day, he just fell short against tito..this doesnt make him a grandpa, just a person that may not be as good a fighter anymore.

and as for what they've given to you, take mike tyson for example....i know its another sport. most people call him trash or old and washed up...sound like shamrock and gracie comments? you didnt hear these comments when he was giving crazy amounts of joy and good times while he was knocking people out cold at 19yrs of age and breaking records.....whether you like it or not, they've given you great times and plenty of good conversations that made you smile....so have some respect and understand that they gave you this while asking nothing in return....you can say money, but these guys didnt start training for these fights late in age...they were doing it as kids and i'm sure it wasnt for the money....they money was given to them becuase they are good at what they do, we all would take it.....so have some respect please!
 
#118 ·
For the guy who doesn't like to see bones broken;p

I agree with rara in the post before this one! Broken bone person:Blood, broken bones etc.. its all likely to happen don't be suprised! I'm not a fan of seeing either but I love watching fights.. and when I'm watching them I am to busy getting into the fight to be able to react in discust or whatever. Well, with that iyves fight.. its like his bleeding wouldn't stop and I couldn't help but say OMFG stop the fight already damn.. ick!:cheeky4: Even if someone is all for blood baths and broken limbs..I would expect them to still be like OMFG! :dunno:
 
#119 ·
Octagon Girl said:
The only reason Shamrock went on Ultimate Fighter in the first place is because he knew he would get to fight Tito in the end. He wasn't there to train and he wasn't there to care. He was just waiting the whole thing out so he could have another chance with Tito again, the show was just a means to get him in the ring.

ya thats true but he still shouldve trained his so called "team".
 
#121 ·
crazykaty said:
Well, the Ortiz - Shamrock fight turned out just like I thought it would. Tito was rainin' down those elbows, Ken wasn't responding and Herb did his job. Yes, Ken is older than Tito, but, so what? I always believed that if you can't back up your mouth, don't open it. ;) The "Pitbull" and Sylvia fight was just o.k. I really thought AA was gonna' come with a lot more, but, I reckon they were both playin' it safe with the belt on the line. :dunno: I thought Yves was gonna' need to call the Red Cross to get a pint of blood !! I haven't seen that much blood in awhile ! :D I'm glad Mir won the decision, but, I really didn't have it figured that way! :confused: I still enjoyed every minute of it! Until next time ------- ;)

ya but i still wouldve liked it to be a longer fight. Joe stevenson did an asome job that night. Ive never saw that much blood in the octagon befor.
 
#122 ·
The Don said:
its hard to clean blood up properly on that kinda of surface in the middle of a series of matches without pulling the mats up and such.. they really had no choice.. if it were a boxing/wrestling style ring, they could change it out in minutes...

they should make layers of sheets so all u have to do if some1 bleeds like that u just pull it up.
 
#124 ·
No Offence

No Offence to the Ortiz fellas ... But that stopage was total BS !!! I mean comeone Shamrock was not dazed in the least ... as soon as the ref stopped the fight Ken was like WTF ??? AND so was pretty much anyone who was watchin it !!!!
I mean come the hell on ... u let a dewd damn near bleed to death like 2 matches b4 this one and u stop the fight b4 either of them even have a Damn Shinner (black eye for u that dont know )
I am sorry but some peeps only got 61 for that fight and it was stopped for some bs !!!! sorry GAY ASS FIGHT THEY NEED TO TRY AGAIN !!!!
seen a better fight by some grls @ the bar I bounce @ !!!:cheeky4:
 
#125 ·
do you bounce at a gay bar? because i know some lesbians that can flat kick ass :p
fight should have lsted a bit longer even if the result mayhave been the same, one never knows. I was and am still disappointed, thats one dvd I wont be adding to my collection.
 
#126 ·
AxL said:
do you bounce at a gay bar? because i know some lesbians that can flat kick ass :p
fight should have lsted a bit longer even if the result mayhave been the same, one never knows. I was and am still disappointed, thats one dvd I wont be adding to my collection.

NO, i am not a lesbian.lol. i am tough though(hey im a catcher...what do u expect)ya i would've liked the fight to last longer also but ken was not defending himself so the ref. thought he should call it.oh well im just glad that tito won.& oh ya im not old enough to even drink let alone go to the bar.
 
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