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If Nog got the better of Couture on the feet, what would Fedor do to him?

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#1 ·
Tired subject I know, and very hypothetical but I think Fedor would KO Randy in the first round. Nog was very close to finishing Randy the second time he dropped him, and I think Fedor has more power and is more clinical than Nog.

I don't think Randy's wrestling would be much of a problem for Fedor, and I would expect a very early KO after Fedor explodes into a combination of wild hooks.
 
#2 ·
That kind of assumption is bordering on MMA math. The question is whether Fedors chin = Nogs. I wouldn't say Nog got the better of Randy. They both hit each other plenty but only Randy went down. Rather, Nogs chin was the deciding factor. I'm not sure Fedor has a chin like Nog, so the comparison is pointless. For all we know, the punches that Nog walked through would put Fedor down. All speculation. Different fighters = different fights.
 
#8 ·
I second this. Both men put on a tremendous display of boxing, and I'd be hard-pressed to say that one was 'outdone' in respect to landed shots. Couture found Big Nog's chin just as many times as Big Nog found Couture's. The difference, as was stated, is that Randy went down, and Nog did not. This shouldn't at all imply that Randy is thus an over-rated boxer, or unable to compete. It's simply a testament to Nog's chin, which has to be the stuff of legend again following this past Saturday.
 
#3 ·
I see your point, but I wouldn't quite say it's MMA math. I just don't think Randy has the standup to avoid shots from any striker with some speed. Nog was faster last night and looked dangerous throughout, Fedor would be even faster than that and we all know he can land those haymakers.

Nog did get the better of the standup. As you rightly pointed out Randy got dropped a couple of times and Nog didn't, in what way does that not indicate Nog got the better of it? He had the harder punches, landed the more damaging blows and was able to take anything Randy hit him with.
 
#5 ·
I think you're probably right. Randy's new confidence in his stand up, seems to have made him forget what it is he's really good at (clinching against the cage, dirty boxing and wearing his opponent out). He didn't play to his strengths enough against Nog. IMO he needed to put him against the cage and keep him there for as long and as often as possible, but instead he tried to box with him. If he took the same approach with Fedor, he wouldn't make it out of the first round.
 
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I don't mean to make Randy sound like some Zen Buddhist, but I'm not sure he does it for the win any more. Rather, the challenge.

Maybe it's simply a case of Randy wanting to have more fun? He's not stupid. He knows he would have stood a better chance playing to his own strengths, but maybe at 45 he feels bored with fighting his style and wants to challenge other fighters using other disciplines and techniques. The old Randy would have tried to nullify Nogs boxing and wear him down. This version wants to box with Nog cause it's so much more fun.

All the above is from my perspective and completely speculative... to be clear.
 
#28 ·
Ageed randy wasnt really efective the few times they were in the clinch and NOG was def wantin to take it to the ground, hell he tried to pull guard at one point, but Randy slipped out he wasnt havin that.....

This fight has made me re-evaluate the Mir fight and although i do believe Mirs striking has improved vastly.......

I think they need to fight again to bring legitimacy to his win the first time.....Nog looked like a withered old man when he fought Mir...

Obviously there was somthing wrong....wonder what frank thinks about that:confused02:

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#9 ·
I said before I think age is startting to catch up to randy. He although still a top 5 imo is nowhere near as fast as he was in he GG fight and his Big tim fight. Fedor may be able to take him now but he would not have been able to take the randy that fought GG.

I see your point but as it has already been said nog has an Iron chin and randy could have done more damge to fedor than he could nog so its impossible to tell.
 
#10 ·
Avoiding MMA math but still using some solid logic...

Randy gets tagged a lot in the stand-up since his win over Tim. He also seems to get flash-KO'd when it happens.

For as good as Randy feels I think we are definitely seeing him suffer from his reaction speed fading. When fighters who anticipate (counter-fighters) start to lose their reaction speed you see a series of humilating losses before they retire. Randy has not had a humiliating loss in his career (in my opinion) but he could definitely be headed down that path.
 
#11 ·
Randy was so close to being KOd by Nog, he completely buckled and looked out, there was no control to how he fell he just went limp but somehow recovered.

On the subject of MMA math, what I have discussed isn't using that. If we can't use a fighters performances as a point of comparison then we may as well say every fighter can beat every fighter because every fight is different.

No, obviously not. Nog has fairly fast hands for a HW and dropped Randy. Fedor has better head movement than Nog, more power and faster hands imo. That is constructive analysis not MMA math. I'm basically saying I think Fedor is far more dangerous on the feet than Nog, would be harder to hit, has faster hands and serious power so I think he'd KO Randy based on what I saw Saturday. No MMA math to see here.

Just wanted to get that out there :thumb02:
 
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On the subject of MMA math, what I have discussed isn't using that. If we can't use a fighters performances as a point of comparison then we may as well say every fighter can beat every fighter because every fight is different.
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Ever since the matchup came about i've always thought Fedor would beat Randy, Still do. Fedor has alot of power in them fists, he has more flare about his striking to than Randys. Fedor is lightweight off his back, far from a Fedor nuthugger i think Fedor would have Randy in any given situation this day and age. Fedor may respect him too much to to give him some heavy hits like what he gave Sylvia.
 
#14 ·
although his reaction speed can't be like it was in his 30s, it has remained UNCHANGED in the past few years. The reason why he looked so slow in reacting was because his opponent was simply faster. All of his previous opponents that he fought since his return were much bigger than he was. All of them were 260+ pounds. Basic physics wills tell you that a bigger man can not be as fast as a smaller man. Nog was about 230ish when he fought randy. Randy, with his diminished reaction time, couldn't react fast enough. With that in mind, fedor is will crush randy, past or present. Randy wins 50% of his fights, that show you if anything that the dude is inconsistent.
 
#17 ·
This I agree with. Randy's boxing is effective against the bigger and slower heavyweights. His record shows that for the most part fighters that are lighter on their feet and can throw sharp shots have give him problems, and Fedor is such a fast heavyweight and from what I can tell much faster than Nog. I also think Fedor would just be happy to explode and throw big hooks at Randy in his typical fashion and Randy can't take that sort of punishment.

Yeah, the MMA math comment was a bit mean. I still stand by what I said also : If Fedor had ate one of Randys bombs, how would he have reacted? I really don't know myself. I accept that Fedor would have never been hit as often as Nog did. Hmmm.... interesting, but no, I stick by my guns on this one. In my opinion, saturadys fight doesn't really show me much regards how well Randy would do against Fedor.
Yeah I wouldn't expect Fedor to get hit as much. Nog tends to walk forward and exchange like it doesn't matter, Fedor bounces around, has better head movement and explodes into wild combos so fast its ridiculous. Fedor stood up with CroCop when he was on form and did well, I really don't see how Randy would give him any problems whatsoever, and I definitely don't think Randy could take many shots from him which he would certainly land plenty of imo.

Fair enough though, I respect your opinion :thumbsup:
 
#15 ·
Honestly...IMO...Its over at this point at HW for him......

Possibly a drop to 205 could bring some new life back, but if he cant beat Nog(not shitting on Nog) he isnt gonna beat Fedor....

I think at this point the fight i really want to see is Mir vs. Nog and lets se what really would have happened....

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#20 ·
fedor has alot more power than nogueira. plus, fedor likes to rush in and overwhelm his opponent before they can get their bearing. if randy takes a fedor flurry he is going down no doubt about it. randy would have to clinch and not give fedor the space to unload.
 
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