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Old 06-08-2006, 01:13 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It's all about torso strength and about keeping the weight centered. You want my secret to grappling, here it is: Keep your opponent centered and in front of you, then you have control.

Anyways, anyone else got any grappling tips, at least until we get a grappling section up and running.
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Old 06-08-2006, 04:44 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Training for grappling?

Get lots of grappling partners. It's too easy to figure out a person's game and come away thinking you've transformed your game when you start to constantly get your sole partner to tap. The truth being that figured out your partner's ground game and when he figures out yours, you're going to start looking like shit. Multiple grappling partners (different sizes and styles) will make you focus on what works, and will help you keep your mind in a place where it will adjust on the fly. Sharktank exercises/drill where you have 1 guy stay in while the others rotate in round after round will prove this over and over again, especially when you start getting tired.

If you're grappling, make sure everyone knows to give each other the opportunity to tap and has enough mutual respect to allow that. The worst thing for training in a grappling situation is to have some jackoff spaz out on you and A) Injure you or B) Injure themselves because they go gung-ho on a takedown or submission hold.

Find a good coach. Not just a credentialled guy, but somebody with experience. Thankfully, most folks that you find that are credentialed (from creditable sources) are usually very experienced, especially considering that most Black Belts in Judo or Jiu-Jitsu have usually spent anywhere from 7 to 10 years getting there. In which cases, many brown belts or purple belts will do a lot of good for you if you don't have a black belt available.

Finally, have fun and don't be scared to experiment. As rudimentary and mechanical as grappling is, sometimes the unorthodox and showy tactics will work with suprising results. Sure, you may not always land that flying armbar, but it's always good to know that you can do it.
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Old 06-08-2006, 11:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Some excellent advice, don't trust people who earned there black belt in less then 5 years inless that is all the did and nothing else, even then be leary of them
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Some excellent advice, don't trust people who earned there black belt in less then 5 years inless that is all the did and nothing else, even then be leary of them
Yeah, I have a problem with a martial art that can give a kid a blackbelt at age 13 or 14. They can't be disciplined enough or capable of really understanding all of the syllabus. It's just a personal preference, but I like to work for ranks in martial arts.
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Old 06-09-2006, 05:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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we should start putting together a list of black belt factories we know of for people to avoid.
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Most tkd schools will give anyone a blackbelt. My friends and I put together a competition for MMA fighers and had a bunch of 16 and 17 year old tkd blackbelts show up and this is what it looked like after our matches with them. Red and Twiggy are my buddies.

Red v TKD guy 1: Red wins at 1:40, submission due to strikes
Twiggy v TKD guy 2: Twiggy wins at 1:12, submission by rear naked choke
Me v TKD guy 3: I win at 1:27, submission due to strikes

The thing is, these guys went to the ground so easily that it was ridiculous. They couldn't stop us from moving in, clinching and taking them down. As for internet guys we've only ever had one of those, I took him:

Me v Internet Blackbelt: 1 win at 0:57 submission due to anklelock.

Anywhere that offers you a blackbelt without 5 solid years of work should be avoided.
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TKD does not train for or against ground fighting just look at how they train, as I have stated to many TKD is great for learning proper form, it has no practical application, Tang Soo Do on the other hand while it does lack ground fighting skills, does have alot of practicl application as far as striking is concerned
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TKD does not train for or against ground fighting just look at how they train, as I have stated to many TKD is great for learning proper form, it has no practical application, Tang Soo Do on the other hand while it does lack ground fighting skills, does have alot of practicl application as far as striking is concerned
But the fact is, if you're studying a striking system and you have half a brain you should be able to figure out that if I'm charging at you, you need to stop me.

I ran straight threw my opponent and tossed him on the ground, proceeding to crush his face with my elbows. That shouldn't be that hard.

There is no sustitute for experience, and you can't enough experience to be considered "good" in a few years. "Good" is all relative, but it you can't defend yourself against someone charging straight at you than you shouldn't brag about your black belt and offer to fight a grappler with half a dozen different martial arts.

I think more martial arts should teach common sense, when you can brag and when you can shut your mouth.
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trus the training though in most TKD schools is so undynamic that the students are not taught to think just do, and if they can do the forms correctly they get promoted, kinda sad but then again TKD was not developed to be a fighting art as many think, it was developed as an activity for unathletic school children to get them active
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trus the training though in most TKD schools is so undynamic that the students are not taught to think just do, and if they can do the forms correctly they get promoted, kinda sad but then again TKD was not developed to be a fighting art as many think, it was developed as an activity for unathletic school children to get them active
That's a great explanation for TKD. You're right too, it's completely static and there's no spontaniety to it at all. At least in BJJ, JJJ, Aikido and Kempo (including but not limited to) you learn how to improvise self defense.

There is no right way to do it wrong, there is no wrong way to do it right. There is only what works and what gets you punched in the face.
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