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Old 01-30-2008, 06:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dangers of getting knocked out?

Ok so some buddies and I have been boxing latley but want to step up to some thin MMA gloves. My only concern is people getting knocked a lot. I know its going to happen so I had some questions.
1. How dangerous is getting knocked out? Can you die?
2. What should be done to help someone recover from a knockout?
3. If there is no paramedic around is it a moronic idea to use thin gloves?

thx, any info will be appreciated
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ummm basically it's a ******* stupid idea if you guys haven't done any sort of mma training before

1. although most likely you won't die there are dangers of being knocked out especially if you guys are inexperienced "backyard" boxers and just try dicking around with the 4 ounce gloves
2. umm don't ******* knock them out
3. basically if you're not trained you shouldn't use them, mma gloves are dangerous when used by untrained guys even at my gym we always spar with 16 ounce gloves and only use mma in light contact sparring and mma ground work where the blows are about 50% and even then it still stings

basically get into an mma gym if you chumps are going to be fooling around in your backyard. it seems fun and ya i've done it a couple times but someone is going to get hurt and this is how mma gets a bad name because some punks think it's fun to throw on some gloves and go at it without any experience
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ummm basically it's a ******* stupid idea if you guys haven't done any sort of mma training before

1. although most likely you won't die there are dangers of being knocked out especially if you guys are inexperienced "backyard" boxers and just try dicking around with the 4 ounce gloves
2. umm don't ******* knock them out
3. basically if you're not trained you shouldn't use them, mma gloves are dangerous when used by untrained guys even at my gym we always spar with 16 ounce gloves and only use mma in light contact sparring and mma ground work where the blows are about 50% and even then it still stings

basically get into an mma gym if you chumps are going to be fooling around in your backyard. it seems fun and ya i've done it a couple times but someone is going to get hurt and this is how mma gets a bad name because some punks think it's fun to throw on some gloves and go at it without any experience

Wow what a negative post. At least you can filter out some useful information from that mess.
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Wow what a negative post. At least you can filter out some useful information from that mess.
i know man...i just get soo mad at backyard mma fans who think it's cool to just pound each other cuz they saw it on tv....people get hurt that way and bad shit ends up happening....go to an mma gym you'll learn way more and it's much safer
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ok so some buddies and I have been boxing latley but want to step up to some thin MMA gloves. My only concern is people getting knocked a lot. I know its going to happen so I had some questions.
1. How dangerous is getting knocked out? Can you die?
2. What should be done to help someone recover from a knockout?
3. If there is no paramedic around is it a moronic idea to use thin gloves?

thx, any info will be appreciated
First, make sure that whatever surface you're fighting on is soft enough that it won't cause head trauma if someone gets knocked out and takes a nose dive into it (i.e. - don't fight on concrete).

As for your questions.
1. There isn't much of a health issue involved in getting knocked out as long as that's the end of the fight and the person that's been knocked out doesn't have any more fights afterwards. Otherwise, with multiple KO's the brain starts to swell (bad) and blood clots are more likely (also bad).

2. Pee on him. Think of it like a sting from a jellyfish. To help his brain re-establish its' equilibrium, the high acidity of urine has a chemical reaction with the inner ear that aids in recovery time. Be sure to aim for his ear.

3. Next, don't use regular 4 oz MMA gloves. Even if you are too young to have a job and have to worry about explaining weird cuts and bruises on your face when you go in to junior high, you're still old enough to understand the concept of a hospital bill. 4 oz gloves are great at making cuts and leading to stitches. Assuming you're going to do this regardless of what we say... use something like this:
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Taken from wikipedia. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion

Concussion can alter the brain's physiology for a period of weeks, setting into motion a variety of pathological events.[38][39] In a large majority of affected brain cells, the metabolic processes that follow concussion are reversed within hours or days; however a small number of cells may die after the injury.[5]

Concussion is thought to unleash a metabolic cascade of events including impaired neurotransmission, loss of regulation of ions, deregulation of energy use and cellular metabolism, and a reduction in cerebral blood flow.[5][8][38] Excitatory neurotransmitters such as glutamate are released in excessive amounts as the result of the injury[25] and lead to an imbalance of ions such as potassium and calcium across the cell membranes of neurons like that seen in excitotoxicity.[38] The ionic imbalance leads to neuronal depolarization, which in turn causes the sodium-potassium pump to work more than it normally does in an attempt to restore resting potential.[38] For this, the pump requires greater-than-usual amounts of ATP, which causes cells to enter a state of hypermetabolism (to use more glucose than usual).[38] At the same time, cerebral blood flow is relatively reduced,[40] leading to an energy crisis for cells.[38]

For a period of minutes to days after a concussion, the brain is especially vulnerable to changes in intracranial pressure, blood flow, and particularly anoxia.[40] According to studies performed on animals, large numbers of neurons can die during this period in response to slight, normally innocuous changes in blood flow.[40] Animal studies have also found that a second concussion occurring during this window of time has severe effects on metabolism within the brain.[41]

Concussion involves diffuse brain injury[42] (as opposed to focal brain injury), meaning that the dysfunction occurs over a widespread area of the brain rather than in a particular spot. Concussion is thought to be a milder type of diffuse axonal injury because axons may be injured to a minor extent due to stretching.[4][5] Axonal damage has been found in the brains of patients who suffered concussion and then died from other causes.[33] A stretched or damaged axon may be further damaged or killed by fluctuations of ions across the axonal membrane in the hours and days following the injury.
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Taken from wikipedia. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion

Concussion can alter the brain's physiology for a period of weeks, setting into motion a variety of pathological events.[38][39] In a large majority of affected brain cells, the metabolic processes that follow concussion are reversed within hours or days; however a small number of cells may die after the injury.[5]

Concussion is thought to unleash a metabolic cascade of events including impaired neurotransmission, loss of regulation of ions, deregulation of energy use and cellular metabolism, and a reduction in cerebral blood flow.[5][8][38] Excitatory neurotransmitters such as glutamate are released in excessive amounts as the result of the injury[25] and lead to an imbalance of ions such as potassium and calcium across the cell membranes of neurons like that seen in excitotoxicity.[38] The ionic imbalance leads to neuronal depolarization, which in turn causes the sodium-potassium pump to work more than it normally does in an attempt to restore resting potential.[38] For this, the pump requires greater-than-usual amounts of ATP, which causes cells to enter a state of hypermetabolism (to use more glucose than usual).[38] At the same time, cerebral blood flow is relatively reduced,[40] leading to an energy crisis for cells.[38]

For a period of minutes to days after a concussion, the brain is especially vulnerable to changes in intracranial pressure, blood flow, and particularly anoxia.[40] According to studies performed on animals, large numbers of neurons can die during this period in response to slight, normally innocuous changes in blood flow.[40] Animal studies have also found that a second concussion occurring during this window of time has severe effects on metabolism within the brain.[41]

Concussion involves diffuse brain injury[42] (as opposed to focal brain injury), meaning that the dysfunction occurs over a widespread area of the brain rather than in a particular spot. Concussion is thought to be a milder type of diffuse axonal injury because axons may be injured to a minor extent due to stretching.[4][5] Axonal damage has been found in the brains of patients who suffered concussion and then died from other causes.[33] A stretched or damaged axon may be further damaged or killed by fluctuations of ions across the axonal membrane in the hours and days following the injury.
You didn't mention how to treat a concussion.
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Your right. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion


Treatment

There is no specific treatment for concussion. Usually concussion symptoms go away without any treatment.[66] The main care consists of observation of the patient to monitor for worsening condition.[67] Rest is a traditional treatment,[68] and patients are advised to get plenty of sleep at night plus rest during the day.[57] Healthcare providers recommend a gradual return to normal activities at a pace that does not cause symptoms to worsen.[57] Proper nutrition is also recommended while the patient is recovering.[67] Medications may be prescribed to treat symptoms such as sleep problems.[55] For the headaches that frequently occur after concussion, patients may take analgesics such as acetaminophen[66] or ibuprophen, but are discouraged from taking aspirin because it inhibits blood clotting[51] and so can lead to bleeding within the skull if a blood vessel is weakened or ruptured. Patients are advised not to drink alcohol or take drugs that have not been approved by a doctor, as they could impede healing.[57]

Healthcare providers recommend that those suffering from concussion return for further medical care and evaluation 24 to 72 hours after the concussive event if the symptoms worsen. Athletes, especially intercollegiate or professional athletes, are typically followed closely by team trainers during this period. But those injured in accidents may not have access to this level of healthcare and may be sent home with no medical person monitoring them unless the situation gets worse. Patients may be released from the hospital to the care of a trusted person with orders to return if they display worsening symptoms[23] or those which might indicate an emergent condition, like unconsciousness or altered mental status; convulsions; severe, persistent headache; extremity weakness; vomiting; or new bleeding or deafness in either or both ears.[69] Doctors recommend that the patient be observed repeatedly for the first 24 hours after concussion; however it is not known whether it is necessary to wake patients up every few hours.[23]
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Concussion's are no joke, I have had a couple. They weren't from training or fighting, but from sports. They can really mess you up, so take every safety measure you can.
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