[plazzman]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

It kinda always has unless you have a great Muay Thai fighter or Randy Couture. I mean usually in a lot of fights if they clinch against the cage nothing happens besides maybe one or two body shots and then the ref breaks them up.

After watching Oleg vs Kerr and Butterbean vs Smith. I think the incline was to steep however I don't hate the idea of having a slight incline in order to give a guy who has defended a takedown and is pinned up against the cage some opitions. I think the Yamma incline right now is to steep and leads to a lot of early takedowns.

But I think the cage shouldn't be involved in the fight so I gald they at least tried something even though it failed.

The cage is their to keep the fight in a set place but I feel like it has become a lot of guys TDD and that bugs the hell out of me. The cage in a perfect world wouldn't be part of the fight. Because fights should be decided on the mat either standing or on the ground.

No, the clinch against the cage is good for utilizing take downs, pinning opponents and just controlling your man. What makes MMA boring is people who hit the floor and don't know how to finish, predominantly raw wrestlers.

[Fedor>all]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

I would agree on Yamma but Fedor>ALL I'd like to know your opinion on the surface?

Truth be told BBJD, I don't know too much about the surface and I didn't really see enough of it to formulate a valid opinion. I'm going to have to wait and see more of the fights, then I'll get back to you.

[bbjd7]

Originally Posted by plazzman

No, the clinch against the cage is good for utilizing take downs, pinning opponents and just controlling your man. What makes MMA boring is people who hit the floor and don't know how to finish, predominantly raw wrestlers.

So you enjoyed the Swick vs Burkman fight. I mean yes the cage is good for takedowns but it's also good for pinning your opponent up and holding them there. I mean I didn't hate the Sylvia vs Vera fight as much as a lot of people but I did hate when they where clinching against the cage.

[plazzman]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

So you enjoyed the Swick vs Burkman fight. I mean yes the cage is good for takedowns but it's also good for pinning your opponent up and holding them there. I mean I didn't hate the Sylvia vs Vera fight as much as a lot of people but I did hate when they where clinching against the cage.

I didn't hate them, I did think they were a tad bit boring, but thats regarding the WHOLE match and not just the moments they clinch, plus I don't think something like YAMMA is really gonna revolutionize fighters gameplans and help them finish fights better. All I saw there was dudes tripping and laying on eachother.

[bbjd7]

I agree but at least once a fight card their is a fight that has guys shooting in for bad shots and then holding their opponents up against the cage. Now I think that the surface Yamma used was to steep but I think a slight incline that gives a guy who has defended a takedown and is just being held against the fence a way out of the situation without just stalling so the ref will reset them would be nice.

I think the fact that guys where just laying on each other on this card has a lot more to do with the lack of talent than the surface. In fact I would say it is unfair to say that the incline surface had anything to do with all the lay and pray.

[vandalian]

Originally Posted by bbjd7

How did the surface seem. I mean from what I read on Sherdog it seemed to serve it's purpose. Keeping guys from pinning each other on the fence and holding them there.

In the fights I watched online, they just pinned their opponents to the incline, instead. And with one five-minute round, all it took was five minutes of LnP to get the win.

That, and sprawls are almost impossible.

[theboz19]

Surface: It aided many takedowns. I like the idea but I think fighters have to get used to it.

Format: The 1 5-minute round format is terrible. For instance, in Ricco/Bush I'm positive that Ricco was in more pain after that fight than Bush was. All Ricco did was get 3 takedowns (BTW he couldn't keep Bush down even though he's a black belt in BJJ and outweighed Bush by 35lbs). Then, in Wiuff/Ricco, Wiuff basically does to Ricco what Ricco had just done to Bush. In the final, Wiuff/Tesherrer, we finally got to see some trading of strikes due to both men being too tired to go for takedowns.

Fights: I thought the fights were OK. They did stand the fighters back up quickly in most cases. Unfortunately, most of these guys were from a wrestling background. Smith/Bean was good. Bean is finally showing his age as he had a difficult time connecting with that right hand. If it would have landed Smith would still be sleeping. Smith looked nasty. I realize Bean isn't known for his defense but Smith looked to be in great shape and fought smartly.

Fighters: I like stand-up so I think they should do a better job of picking stand up fighters. George Bush seemed to be the only striker in the tourney. I've sparred with him and know how powerful and quick he is. It would be nice to see Oleg vs. Smith next as both men looked good.

Overall: It was worth the $35. BTW, I thought the announcer had style.

[bbjd7]

Originally Posted by vandalian

In the fights I watched online, they just pinned their opponents to the incline, instead. And with one five-minute round, all it took was five minutes of LnP to get the win.

That, and sprawls are almost impossible.

Yea but consider who was fighting I mean if these guys were fighting on a falt surface they would've just taken each other down a LnP'd to victory as well.

I don't think you can blame the surface for these guys Lay and Praying.

[snakerattle79]

i think its a period of adjustment for Yamma just like any starting org. , Yamma cage is cool and we can see improvements overall as the Yamma progresses, its an MMA org wherein it belong to the sport of MMA ,we should support it to make it better

[sirdilznik]

I'd like to see more fights in the YAMMA before I completely diss it. It will be interesting to see how people adapt to it and learn to use the incline. I think it would be better with a progressive incline, kind of like a bowl rather than going directly from flat to a 25 degree angle or whatever it is.