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post #21 of 42 (permalink) Old 01-06-2009, 06:25 PM
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I dont know if I've seen Ovvy fight, but im sure hes much better than that display Cros put on the other night or Alex Semins hammer fists.

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Alex will fight you anytime.
That depends on who "you" is. Ovechkin will surely fight Crosby, and beat the hell out of him, but he wouldn't drop the gloves with just anyone. Most of the game's stars won't, unless their team is losing. It's not worth them being off the ice for at least five minutes.

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he can score at any moment and in the last 2 minutes of the game he is the most dangerous person in the league.
By the two mentioned merits you find to be in the "best" player in the league, you've pretty much named Jarome Iginla, who, for the record, would beat down Ovechkin in a fight.

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I mean it's not a job to him, it's his passion.
I actually think this is a point for what puts Crosby above Ovechkin. Crosby treats it like it's his job - he's the first one on the ice, and the last one off it.

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Have you ever seen someone who scores 50+ goals each season go absolutely ballistic every time he scores? I don't.
Yeah, Pavel Bure...the most entertaining hockey player I've ever seen (apologies Lemieux).

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I do agree that centers are more responsible for it (as you said its common knowledge), but that doesnt mean that all of them are good defensively or that all wingers arent. And all those playmakers you mentioned needed the goalscorers just as much as the scorers needed them. Malkin and Crosby are BRUTAL defenders dude, not that Ovvy is great, but they are so slack on defense and it was their undoing in the playoffs. I still feel the bottomline is it's a player by player basis and position really doesnt matter.
I'm gonna need some examples here. Hossa said that Crosby was the best defensive center he has played with (I'm sure that has changed now that he's played with Datsyuk), and Crosby's +/- is 32 bests Ovechkin's 23, and he has played far less games as a result of the ankle injury. Both came into the league on horrible teams so the "Crosby had better linemates" spiel doesn't work. To put that in percepctive, Ovechkin's 06-07 +/- was -19 when teammate Gordon Boyd was a +10. Meanwhile Crosby was towards the higher end of his team with +10 rating. He also won the MVP and scoring title that year... There's really nothing to say Ovechkin is better defensively other than your personal opinion.

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Got quite the hard on for Crosby do ya?


Guess I may have went a bit over there, but he won't act like most stars and wait for the goons to step in.


In the past yeah I'd give it to Jerome, but where is he this year? Not even close to Alex. But yeah Jerome would kick the living shit out of Alex.

Wow isn't that cliche. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard "first one on and last one off the ice" in hockey I'd be a rich man. And I think your missing what I'm saying by Alex treating it like he's a kid, it's the way he looks out there weather win or lose he's having the funnest time. Crosby I just don't see that passion like Alex does.



Good point, but Bure was also the biggest asshole and self centered player I'd seen. I lived through the Bure era here in Vancouver, great player, terrible attitude.



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You're right I dont have stats to back it up, just from what I've seen of them.

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Got quite the hard on for Crosby do ya?
Got me there. He's a stud.

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Guess I may have went a bit over there, but he won't act like most stars and wait for the goons to step in.
Yeah agree. He can more than hold his own.

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In the past yeah I'd give it to Jerome, but where is he this year? Not even close to Alex. But yeah Jerome would kick the living shit out of Alex.
Iginla is 6th with 46 points.

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And I think your missing what I'm saying by Alex treating it like he's a kid, it's the way he looks out there weather win or lose he's having the funnest time. Crosby I just don't see that passion like Alex does.
That's the attitude that I kinda like about Crosby. When he loses, he's furious, and you can tell it kills him inside. I do love the way Alex celebrates when his teammates score though.

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Good point, but Bure was also the biggest asshole and self centered player I'd seen. I lived through the Bure era here in Vancouver, great player, terrible attitude.
Blasphemy. Bure is the man.

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Imagine Bure and Ovie on a team together with Luongo in net.
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Imagine Bure and Ovie on a team together with Luongo in net.
The fact that Bure missed the 95-96 year and post-lockout makes me want to cry. Moginly had 55 goals for Van in 95-96, which means Bure would've had at least 60...heck Jagr had 62 and Lemieux had 69 playing like 60 games.

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Crosby is a better overall player. Ovechkin has more skill and is more physically gifted, but Crosby is a very good playmaker. He understands the game like very few others do. He makes everyone around him better. Ovechkin has some cool shit on his highlight reel, but Crosby is the best player in the league, or he will be in a few years.
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As I said before I think the argument could be made for either of these guys, but in my opinion Crosby ain't even the best player on his team, Eugene Malkin is bigger, faster, stronger and seems to have a lil more scoring touch.

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As I said before I think the argument could be made for either of these guys, but in my opinion Crosby ain't even the best player on his team, Eugene Malkin is bigger, faster, stronger and seems to have a lil more scoring touch.
Evgeni Malkin, not Eugene.

Malkin is a great player, a Hall of Famer for sure, but Crosby is just smarter.
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