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#138 ·
Deontay's punching style is all over the place. In beating Audley Harrisson (which, to be fair, was a solid win after Audley did the job in Prizefighter), Wilder was throwing punches like Freddie Flintoff. None the less, dude's got good power and has been moved up the ranks well. Wilder has called out Fury a few times, and Chisora has called out Wilder.

I want to see Mike Perez Vs Deontay Wilder, winner gets Fury.
 
#139 ·
I agree with you. I think hes still a bit green. A fight with Chisora would be good for him, to get a lower name on his resume, though Chisora isn't anything to be marveled over, the guy is a gate keeper basically. Golden Boy I think will take a slow approach with Deontay and build him up as the next great hope for American HW boxing. His power gives Wlad a bit of trouble, but Wlads style, and skills shut down Wilder, imo, but one good shot from Wilder could change the fight against anyone, let alone Wlad who has a suspect chin. Leapai is suppose to get the next fight against Viatali, which will be a great fight.
 
#140 ·
I have no idea who Leapai is actually. Any links?

Wilder's biggest asset is his height. That along could givew the Klitschkos something to worry about down the line.

A fight with David Price could be solid too, although I'm biased on Perez. I remember watching him on terrestrial TV, then he won Prizefighter, and the 3 Irish Cuban's terrible promoters had them out of action for so long.

Good that we have this thread. I talk about boxing sometimes on ESB and I can't survive seeing another person say ridiculously bad insults like "Pactard" "Flomo" "Void Mayweather", "PEDquiao". I mean, THAT is the best they can come up with?
 
#141 ·






He's not the greatest boxer, but hes tough as hell, and throws big shots. I think either Klitschko beats him. Leapai has a lot of heart, he is not the most technical guy, or more athletic but hes going to bring it.

Bermane Stiverne is the guy to watch right now, he has a lot of potential, he just beat Arreola to earn a fight against Vitali.

Heres the Stiverne/Arreola fight



I agree, I use to post a lot of on a boxing forum, and it was just foolish with the amount of BS talk.
 
#142 ·
Looking at him, he seems like he'll suffer the same fate of all the Klitschko opponents. He comes forward slowly, head down, looking to throw some hooks when he gets in, perhaps with a pawing jab. Pretty much tailor made for the weak jab hard right combo the Klitschko's have built a career off of. His face will be Shannon Brigg'd by the end.
 
#145 ·
Yeah, Haye's probably the greatest CW of all time as well, just doesn't get credit and had to move up way out of his depth.

I agree with you. I think he would do better against Vitali, for the simple fact that Vitali doesn't always fight tall.
Yeah Vitali can at times be a bit more reckless, while Wladimir is always 100% structures and on the gameplan.
 
#150 ·
I wouldnt put any heavyweight or cruiserweight or light heavyweight in the top 10 of all time form this era. The talent is so weak I refuse to acknowledge it.
 
#152 ·
Oops looks like people are really serious in saying the klitschkos and chad dawson and jean pascal and david haye are really in the top 10's of all time
 
#154 ·
But their competition has stunk! have you seen the bums and cans they have up for the last 7 years or so? hell wladimir was losing to an old man lennox lewis before the weird cut stoppage that should say it all about how string heavyweight is.

Let's not pretend the competition for these divisions has not been awful for a long time, the real comp has been at the lighter weight classes and some at middleweight like martinez and ward and maywether and golovkin and pacman and marquez etc. Even B Hop is still beating up lhws.
 
#155 ·
the last paragraph is true, except we've been discussing HW's and CW's. When we get to lighter weights we'll discuss those guys you've mentioned too.

And lets not pretend that the Marciano's, Tyson's, Dempsey's etc have always faced elite fighters, they've faced their fair share of bums in title fights too so it's not like I'm refusing to acknowledge the state of the HW division as of late because I haven't. It's been discussed at length already.
 
#156 ·
Well no that would be impossible to always fight elite fighters but they did fight very rough and brutal opponents who came from a time where there was lots of boxers coming from the ghetto in the 80's like tyson and such. As for david haye there isn't one win on his resume I owuld consider beyond decent, his most notable fight is a lopsided loss to klitchsko
 
#157 ·
hell wladimir was losing to an old man lennox lewis before the weird cut stoppage that should say it all about how string heavyweight is.
When did Wlad fight Lewis? and Vitali was actually up on the score cards against Lewis before the stoppage.

As for Haye he is a decent HW, but a great CW. Considering the CW has never really been that strong, he has beaten some good boxers in the weight class.

HW is quite weak compared to other ERAs but there are a handful of great fighters at HW and few good prospect.
 
#158 ·
I thought it was wlad? i get confused between the two tall bastards and from what I heard klitschko was behind but he was starting to gain momentum. I think david tua could have knocked off the klitchkos heads in his prime.
 
#159 ·
Nah it was Vitali, and he was actually up on the score cards, and could have won a UD had it not been stopped. It was a great fight. Tua would have caused problems for them no doubt, though I think that the size of the Klitschkos would have been too much. Tua struggled with tall guys with a good jab and straight.

Here is the fight. Two judges had it 48-46 for Vitali

 
#163 ·
Lewis did avoid the rematch big time, and a big reason for it was the beating he took. I don't think that was the best Lewis we have ever seen fight, but he was still an amazing boxer, and had he beat Vitali like he did Tyson then he wouldn't have retired.

Also has anyone seen the articles from not to long ago where Lewis said he would come out of retirement to fight Vitali or Wlad for 100mil lol
 
#164 ·
Like I said Lewis was well done before then,a nd regarding the fight with tyson he had before that... tyson was also completely doen too this was 2002 tyson not 80s tyson. The fight with lewis and vitalis is like criticising randy couture for not beating cain velasquez when they were on the opposite sides of their primes.
 
#165 ·
Lewis was done after the fight. But like I said had he put a beating on Vitali he wouldn't have retired. I wasn't saying that him beating Tyson was his career definer, just stating that had he beat Vitali bad, he would have stayed because that would have meant a fight with Wlad most likely, so even more money.

Can't really take that fight away from Vitali though, Lewis has always been game, just like Hopkins has been game in his later years.
 
#168 ·
Actually I believe I read an interview where he had that has one of his top 5 biggest wins. He did avoid the rematch heavily.
Vitali would have given Lewis troubles even when he was in his prime, for the simple fact that he is a big guy with a jab, who has a good chin and will get reckless if he needs to. And before anyone thinks that I'm just a Klitschko fan boy :p keep in mind that Lewis is my 2nd favourite boxer of all time after Calzaghe
 
#169 ·
I'd be surprised to hear that. Bragging about a win on cuts would always be bullshit if you were losing beforehand.

Lewis would have had problems, but he still took the fight. He felt he could win, so he wasn't exactly avoiding it. It's not like GSP Vs Hendricks, where GSP is #2 P4P in the world currently and is continuing to dominate everyone up until that fight. Lewis was on the slide, got a lucky break, and thought "screw this, I'm just gonna get beat from here on out. I'm done now".
 
#170 ·
I'm talking about him avoiding the rematch and then going into retirement, then stating a number of times that he'd do the rematch for a large sum of money like 100mil. And I still believe had he beat Vitali more convincingly then he wouldn't have retired
 
#171 ·
At least Vitali has that fight with post prime Lewis to give him some kind of credibility, Wladimir has literately nobody in his entire career that you could call a great win.

He truly belongs nowhere near a top ten atg list. Just take a look at Stun Guns list and try to find a single fighter in that 25 he named that would not go through Wladimirs exact career unbeaten. They all would... bar maybe a few of the pre 1900s guys, they were smaller and the sport was really new at the time, it would be unfair to them.
 
#172 ·
Again you cannot blame the Klitschkos for fighting in a weak ERA they do not control the quality of fighters. They are both two talented guys with a handful of good wins each. Wlad has a more impressive resume than Vitali and is a more skill boxer. People say Tyson is one of the greatest yet he fought lesser guys, he has a win over an old Holmes. His best win is Frank Bruno and then Spinks
 
#177 ·
I don't blame them, but you can only rate someone based on what they have done. How can you rate them ahead of fighters who faced off against real competition? Not only that but lost to the shitty competition and looked timid against the rest.

As far as Tyson goes, its got to the point where his competition is now underrated, Spinks, Bruno, Holmes (who never got destroyed like that before or after), Berbick Golota, Razor Ruddock,Tucker are all a hell of a lot better than anything Wladimir or Vitali have beaten.
 
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