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Old 12-09-2009, 10:27 AM   #251 (permalink)
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I'm not saying that they will win simply because they are from the SEC, I'm saying I think they will win because they are a better team. Like I said I think their defense is much stronger and faster than anything Texas has faced all year...definately faster and stronger than OU or Nebraska. Also as I said I think Alabama has a definative advantage in the run game and I doubt Texas will shut them down on the run. If Bama can run the ball and play the defense they play then I think they will win big over Texas.

Not just because they are from the SEC, just because they are a better team. Then again the SEC is a tougher conference IMO. That's not saying there aren't teams out there from other conferences that aren't good, sure there are plenty of teams from other conferences that are great teams, but lots of times you have 1 or 2 teams that just dominate a conference because no one else is near their level of play. You don't have that in the SEC because all the teams are pretty good for the most part and pretty even so all year long you are having to play against a bunch of teams who can literally beat you any given day.

This is somewhat starting to change now, but just for shits and giggles let's try.

On most years what teams are going to win the bigger conferences??

Pac 10? USC
Big 10? Ohio
Big 12? OU or Texas
ACC? Florida State
Big East? Miami or VT until they left in '04, now Cinncinati is emerging winning 2 in a row.


Now look at the SEC, since the championship game in '92.

From '92 - '00:

Alabama - 2 SEC titles
Florida - 5 SEC titles
Tennessee - 2 SEC titles

Florida went back to back SEC titles between '93 and '96 and Tennessee won back to back in '97 and '98.

From '92 to '00 you could say there was the same thing going on in the SEC. There were a couple of teams that dominated the conference year in and year out with the toughest team being Florida.

From '01 - '09

LSU - 3 SEC titles
Georgia - 2 SEC titles
Auburn - 1 SEC title
Florida - 2 SEC titles
Alabama - 1 SEC title

None of these teams have won back to back SEC titles between '01 and '09.

Judging from that, tell me who's gonna win the SEC. It changes year in and year out because all the teams are close to each other. That's all I'm saying is that when you have to play a bunch of teams who aren't near as good as you vs. playing a bunch of teams that are close to your level of skill...it's just an easier road. That's one reason for a long time it was hard to get an SEC team to the national game because coming out of the SEC with no losses or just one loss is almost a miracle.
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:44 AM   #252 (permalink)
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Oh, and if you don't beleive about how tough the division is because of it being evenly matched for the most part this is some interresting information...

SEC has 10 out of 12 teams with winning records, while Big 12 has 6 teams out of 12 with winning records.

Out of the 10 teams in the SEC with winning records, 6 of those teams have the same identical record of 7-5.

I guess in the end we really don't have to argue though do we? I mean results do kind of speak for themselves. In the last 3 BCS title games a team from the SEC has been in it and won it in dominating fashion. If Alabama wins that will make 4 years in a row.

And don't get me wrong, I won't dismiss the fact that anything can happen and Alabama can lose this game. I'm just saying that they should win if they play the game right.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:11 AM   #253 (permalink)
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:43 AM   #254 (permalink)
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Everyone agrees that the sec is best...but when arguing that it is, you should at least do it fairly. I mean your opinion if winners or potential winners from other conference is hardly fair representation. The SEC has had about as many different conference champs as any other conference since 1992. I know the big 10 has had Michigan, OSU, Illinois, Penn State, and Northwestern. That is 5. The SEC has had the big 6 of Bama, auburn, UF, LSU, UGA and UTenn. The big 12 ha had UTex, Neb, OU, Colorado, and I think A&M. The PAC 10 had UW, ASU, UCLA, USC, Oregon, WSU and Oregon state I am prett sure which is more.

Th ACC is still so new but those teams have all been pretty even. BC, Va Tech, FSU, Wake, Clemson have all competes for it.

Not to mention the lesser SEC teams that you are talking about often lose their bowl games. If it weren't for the top 2-3 SEC teams winning those high profile matchups the conference wouldn't be thought of as highly and wouldn't have a winning record in bowls.

I would look it up but I am on my phone posting this from work. Feel free to verify though. I am sure you will learn a lot.

Anyway...your comment about if bama can run and play great defense is obvious. That is what they want to do and hve done. Auburn took that away from them with average talent and a strong will. McCoy isthe eat QB that Bama will have seen all year and Texas's secondary is very underrated. This will be close and I wil gurantee that.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:51 AM   #255 (permalink)
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I am not sure about the comment about the lesser teams in the SEC losing their bowl games and the SEC only being veiwed as good because of a couple of teams.

I went back and looked at last years bowl results.

Music City Bowl: Vanderbilt defeats Boston College

Chick Fil-A Bowl: LSU defeats Georgia Tech

Outback Bowl: South Carolina defeated by Iowa

Capital One Bowl: Georgia defeats Michigan State

Cotton Bowl: Ole Miss defeats Texas Tech

Liberty Bowl: Kentucky defeats East Carolina

Sugar Bowl: Alabama defeated by Utah

BCS title game: Florida defeats Oklahoma

That's 8 bowl games attended by SEC teams last year with 6 of them being won. Out of the two teams that lost one was a lesser team (South Carolina) but the other was one of the teams you claim keeps the SEC looking strong (Alabama).

Just for reference sake here are the bowls attended by Big 12 teams last year and results.

Alamo Bowl: Mizzou defeats Northwestern

Holiday Bowl: Oklahoma State defeated by Oregon

Insight Bowl: Kansas defeats Minnesota

Gator Bowl: Nebraska defeats Clemson

Cotton Bowl: Texas Tech defeated by Ole Miss

Fiesta Bowl: Texas defeats Ohio State

BCS title game: Oklahoma defeated by Florida

That's 7 bowl games with 4 wins.

I'm not knocking the Big 12 by any means, I happen to like Texas quite a bit and was at odds about them winning against Nebraska. I was kind of hoping they would lose and wouldn't get into the title game to face Alabama. I was hoping that Cinncinati or TCU (preferably Cinncinati) would end up getting the game because I didn't mind watching them lose. Now since Texas is in the game either way a team I like is going to lose. I personally feel that the SEC is the toughest conference...yes, but on the same note I feel that the Big 12 is the second toughest as of right now.
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:45 PM   #256 (permalink)
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You were talking about bowls since 1992...try a bigger sample pool. The Big ten has a winning record against the SEC in bowl games in that time and has never beaten us in BCS games. Do the math. That means our "lower to mid tier" teams that you qualify as deep lose their bowl games to evenly ranked teams from much further away.
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Old 12-11-2009, 11:46 AM   #257 (permalink)
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That kind of reminds me of some of my cousins from Mississippi. They always talk about the old glory days of Ole Miss when they used to beat LSU all the time. When I bring up the fact that for quite some time now LSU usually comes out on top of the matchup they talk about the old days.

Talking realistic here, the BCS championship game was first played in 1998, and there have been 11 games so far. The SEC has been to the title game 5 times thusfar and has won all 5 times. They are the only conference that can boast an undefeated record in the BCS title game. The Big 12 has been 6 times and won 2 times. 2 of the most recent losses for the Big 12 have been at the hands of the SEC. The ACC, Big East, and Big Ten have all been 3 times and won only once.

Afterall, it's all about getting to the title game and winning it right? 3 teams from the SEC have not only gotten to the title game, but have won it...the 4th team from the SEC is about to go for another title. The Big 12 has only sent two teams to the title game (Texas, OU). The ACC has sent only one team to the big game (Florida State) in all 3 visits. The Big East has only ever sent Miami and VT to the title game, which both teams are no longer in that conference. The Big 10 has only sent one team to the title game (Ohio State) in all 3 visits. The Pac 10 has only sent one team in 2 visits (USC). Basically what I'm getting at is the SEC has sent more teams to the title game and won more titles than any other conference.

If you want to talk about overall bowl wins, here's some interresting info:

Top 12 teams by number of bowl wins:

1. Alabama - 31
2. USC - 31
3. Penn State - 26
4. Michigan - 26
5. Georgia - 25
6. Texas - 25
7. Tennessee - 25
8. Oklahoma - 24
9. Nebraska - 23
10. Georgia Tech - 22
11. Florida State - 21
12. LSU - 21

That equals out to 4 teams from SEC, 3 teams from Big 12, 2 teams from ACC and Big 10, and 1 team from Pac 10 in the top ranks.

Top 10 teams by number of bowl games played:

1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Tennessee
5. USC
6. Nebraska
7. Georgia
8. Oklahoma
9. Penn State
10. LSU

Same results...SEC has 4 teams, Big 12 with 3 teams, Big 10 with 2 teams, and Pac 10 with 1 team.

Now these are standings of all bowl games, not just in the last year or two. You said you wanted to look at bowls since '92 and I'm just providing the information. Not trying to be a dick about it.
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That kind of reminds me of some of my cousins from Mississippi. They always talk about the old glory days of Ole Miss when they used to beat LSU all the time. When I bring up the fact that for quite some time now LSU usually comes out on top of the matchup they talk about the old days.

Talking realistic here, the BCS championship game was first played in 1998, and there have been 11 games so far. The SEC has been to the title game 5 times thusfar and has won all 5 times. They are the only conference that can boast an undefeated record in the BCS title game. The Big 12 has been 6 times and won 2 times. 2 of the most recent losses for the Big 12 have been at the hands of the SEC. The ACC, Big East, and Big Ten have all been 3 times and won only once.

Afterall, it's all about getting to the title game and winning it right? 3 teams from the SEC have not only gotten to the title game, but have won it...the 4th team from the SEC is about to go for another title. The Big 12 has only sent two teams to the title game (Texas, OU). The ACC has sent only one team to the big game (Florida State) in all 3 visits. The Big East has only ever sent Miami and VT to the title game, which both teams are no longer in that conference. The Big 10 has only sent one team to the title game (Ohio State) in all 3 visits. The Pac 10 has only sent one team in 2 visits (USC). Basically what I'm getting at is the SEC has sent more teams to the title game and won more titles than any other conference.

If you want to talk about overall bowl wins, here's some interresting info:

Top 12 teams by number of bowl wins:

1. Alabama - 31
2. USC - 31
3. Penn State - 26
4. Michigan - 26
5. Georgia - 25
6. Texas - 25
7. Tennessee - 25
8. Oklahoma - 24
9. Nebraska - 23
10. Georgia Tech - 22
11. Florida State - 21
12. LSU - 21

That equals out to 4 teams from SEC, 3 teams from Big 12, 2 teams from ACC and Big 10, and 1 team from Pac 10 in the top ranks.

Top 10 teams by number of bowl games played:

1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Tennessee
5. USC
6. Nebraska
7. Georgia
8. Oklahoma
9. Penn State
10. LSU

Same results...SEC has 4 teams, Big 12 with 3 teams, Big 10 with 2 teams, and Pac 10 with 1 team.

Now these are standings of all bowl games, not just in the last year or two. You said you wanted to look at bowls since '92 and I'm just providing the information. Not trying to be a dick about it.
I know you aren't...I was just pointing out your initial flawed information. Not the conclusion you made.

Anyways, I don't buy into the SEC is the better conference because (insert whatever reason you want)...there are so many factors at play in every game and most we aren't even in the loop on. Especially bowl games.

So when a good team from a dominant conference plays a bowl 300 miles from its home stadium and loses to a bad team from a weak conference 2000 miles from its home stadium this year...just like every other year...just remember I was the guy telling you not to buy what ESPN is selling. Yeah they are going to report the SEC is best because they just signed a 15 yr billion dollar deal with the conference. Kind of like how Dana always says Fedor sucks and his guys are better.
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Blacklist- while compiling a very impressive history of the BCS and bowl history- fact is: it's past history. Alabama won't win this game just because the SEC is a great conference or that in the past the fare very well in bowl games- it will win because it played better than Texas on Jan. 7th and did so without a flawed history lesson that should have told Texas they should probably just not play the game judging on your history of how it will go.

You are completely dismissing looking at the match-up between the two teams and how their strengths and weaknesses compare and contrast to see where the game will most likely be determined. I doubt in the 4th quarter when the game is very tight Nick Saban will call a timeout and tell his players "No worries guys we'll win because the SEC is better and history is on our side!".

Both of these teams match-up very very evenly across the board minus your SEC-bias of course. You keep looking at history and I'll keep focusing on this game and the match-up presented by looking at the teams evenly and objectively.

I would never guarantee that Texas will this game without any doubt in my mind but either way it will be close and most likely come down to the fourth quarter and which team asserts it's will over the other then.

On the other hand, historically, I could just forget about trying to objectively analyze this particular match-up like you are and feel rest assured that by virtue of Texas' 14-12 win over Alabama in the 1982 Cotton Bowl and our recent history that dates back to the glorious year of 1902- Texas holds a 7-0-1 mark against Alabama- there is no way Texas can lose.
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That is basically what I was trying to say and add a 1-0 record of Mack Brown vs Nick Saban too.

I am really surprised that Arenas (CB for Bama) got 1st team all SEC at either the return position or the CB position. I mean in return he is great no doubt, but this season was one of his worst and every time he did something well it was called back due to holding. And at CB most people attack him over Kareem Jackson and usually have more success there. Especially when you consider that Peterson pretty much shut down Julio Jones and AJ Green when they matched up. Peterson was a much better player all year at CB.
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