Curious1

Its seems its fast, can knock them off balance/ out of stance, its long range, its right near them already.

Its kinda like a jab.

The lead push kick is less versatile for set ups because you have to chamber it so its slow, it pushes them away out of range, its not so great for attacking/coming forward with etc

The jab is still useful but has become less so due to push kicks and lead round kicks taking over its role, its still very near the target tho, off balances them and is easy to set up other punches with.

Do you think the lead round kick for southpaws or orthodox is the best set up strike for combos? If not what do you think is (for southpaw and orthodox)

Killz

Short answer, no,

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Curious1

What do you, and everyone else think is the best set up is? and why?

Killz

For me,your hands set up kicks, not the other way round.

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Curious1

Thats good general kickboxing advice.

But its not the be all and end all. There arnt many fixed rules in fighting.

Hendo wouldnt land his H Bomb so often if he set it up with a jab rather than his lead round low kick.

A classic combo in kickboxing is push kick jab cross

There are many combos that start with a kick first and its wise because from the outside where you all start kicks out range punches.

strikerelitemma

well footwork in my opinion is the best way to set up combos you can Jab all night but if it's not landing your just wasting energy footwork sets up angles once you have an angle everything else comes.off of that fainting can help set up combos too cause u can compute what your opponet will do next also footwork is good but there is a downfall to too much footwork is you can't always get off alot of power so move,move,sit down on a combo works too im my opinion

dmark

I agree with you strike that best foot works are the best way to start up a combos. But hands can also be used to set up a combo. It totally depends on a person's speciality whether his speciality is in foor works or in hands.
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No_Mercy

This is true.

Majority combos start off with the jab, cross, then finish with a kick or similar variations. Unless you quickly flick it, it's a lot easier to be telegraphed. When you're launching combos it's irrelevant cuz so many things are coming at you. I was sparring with an instructor and I got drilled over and over with leg kicks cuz he'd jab, throw a left hook, right, up down...up down...shit was confusing...but that's how you know it's effective. Also punches are used to create distance so your opponent is almost always blocking or at least moving out of the way to enable you to set up your kick.

In the end of the day you do what you want to do, but that's the basics. That's one thing I love seeing is crazy combinations.

Nate vs Wilson - he did like a Killer Instinct 10 hit combo
Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin I (jab, cross, chopping leg kick, clinch knee of DOOM! Fawking vicious!)
GSP vs Hughes III (He throws the quickest superman punch and leg kick combo which he learned from Phil Nurse.)
Alex Caceres of all people threw one I learned...roundhouse, spinning back punch)
Stefan vs Miocic
Cung Le's jab, (fake back punch) spinning side kick to right hook is definitely one of my favorites.

Most fighters land two or three hit combos and that's about it. Mainly cuz it's pretty damn difficult to land.

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Kin

I wouldn't say that it's the best, but it definitely is a good one. I don't know many people outside of my gym who do this, but the lead leg round kick can be a great setup for punches. By stepping down on to the kicking leg after landing the strike, you can put more 'oomph' into a punch than you'd think.

A popular combo in my gym is the inside leg kick into a jab, cross, then darting into an outside leg kick. By throwing out the jab before your foot even lands, there's virtually no break in the combination.

A lead leg round kick to the body can be used similarly, but you'll step down too close for a rear leg kick. I'd just commit heavily to a jab-cross-hook as I'm stepping down.

Another one that I like is a lead high kick (no switch) followed by a cross, lead body hook, then a darting rear leg kick. When your opponent blocks the high kick, it'll freeze him for a second, leaving you enough time to step down into the cross. The cross may or may not land, but it will definitely lift his guard high, leaving an opening for your body hook. That body hook will load up your hips for the darting/springing kick, which will tidily wrap up the combo by taking you off angle.

What I dislike about leading with a kick is that my leg is so open to be countered if I miss. And coming from a San Da gym, it's easy to get caught and thrown if my kick doesn't come behind something.

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ClydebankBlitz

Yeah I don't like to lead with a kick either. I would usually like to push whoever I'm against back with a combo before I throw off a kick. I'd always really go with my hands first, unless it's a leg kick, but against I feel that you do better putting that on the end of a hand combo. In karate the only time I lead with a kick is a half step lead round kick which I'll use as a distraction for a straight to the body.

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