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punching without rotation of the fist?

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#1 ·
I think after a fight I had where a guy had his blocking defense tight just sealed tight I kept front kicking him in the gut to get him to lower it to land a straight but nope lol he just kept that locked down solid and took that front kick and all of a sudden without my corner telling me I guess experimental or frustrated lol I started punching with my fist vertically and it went right through his seemingly tight gauard anyone else find this to work feels faster and more powerful to me
 
#2 ·
That way (vertical fists like Bruce Lee used) is less teligraphic, gets past the gauard more easily, and may well be more powerful, but thats a maybe, it might just be more pushy and feel more powerful but is not in reality.

The turning of the hand over is more snappy and possibly more powerful and theres slightly more range on it.

I think vertical fists may well be superior overall.
 
#3 ·
The more I learn about fighting the more I see how many variations there are. Take for example casting. Whoever thought that was actually a style or a technique. Problem is you're prone to breaking your hand.

Ultimately it deals with the situation so I hate to say one style or technique is better than the other. I learned the Tae Kwon Do snapping kicks then converted to the Muay Thai dead leg kicks. So it's somewhere in the middle now...

Whatever suits you or suits the situation. As long as it works...
 
#5 · (Edited)
One of the more common physics debates in karate relates to proper punching. In this debate, there are two common schools of thought:
1)karate punches are strongest at full extension and teach “following though” as a power component; vs.
2)karate strikes are strongest at approximately 75% extension. I put the information from Walker (FN1) forward not opining my own calculations, but merely to report the results of this article and synthesize the stated results with common practice.
 
#6 ·
I don't feel like punching that way is as powerful. I think curious1 hit the nail on the head, in that, vertical fist is more pushy and lacks snap. That said, I like to throw vertical-fisted uppercuts sometimes, since the twisting of the fist (or lack there of) doesn't affect the mechanics of the punch at all. It definitely does slip through people's guards better.
 
#7 ·
That's not always the case. Jack Dempsey was a fan of jabbing with a vertical fist. Then again, he usually accompanied it with a substantial drop step. In which case, the power was from definitely more from the feet up.

Then again, correctly applied physics would increase the force of any punch substantially.
 
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