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post #21 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-13-2011, 01:15 PM
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GSP, Lyoto Machida, and Ben Henderson: Karate Black Belts
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post #22 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-13-2011, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ddog0587 View Post
GSP, Lyoto Machida, and Ben Henderson: Karate Black Belts
False. Ben Henderson = TKD Black Belt

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post #23 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-15-2011, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSuplexor View Post
False. Ben Henderson = TKD Black Belt
My bad. You are correct. But still shows Traditional striking martial arts other than Muay Thai are useful
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post #24 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyvamp View Post
Karate [...] and anyone who thinks it is some chump art has not trained at a decent school or just has never trained in it at all.[...]
That's actually the problem. There are not many "decent" schools out there. Most schools train leisure/good feeling Karate (same applies to most other martial arts), because that's what the majority of the average people want when they do martial arts. And I think that's OK. The most dangerous threats the average guy will meet in his life in these days are heart attacks and other health problems caused by lacking mobility - so a bit of leisure martial arts is a good way to diminish those dangers. Unfortunately, that makes it also difficult for those who do want to learn "real" fighting to find a decent school. And that's also the reason for the "bad" reputation of traditional martial arts among competitive oriented fighters.

As for Karate vs. Kickboxing, I'd say according to my experience that in a decent school you get better kicking in Karate, but usually better boxing in Kickboxing, because in most Karate tournaments the head is not a legal target zone for punches (strangely for kicks it is), hence neither punching to the head nor how to avoid/defend punches to the head are trained as good as in Kickboxing where punching to the head is allowed.
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post #25 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-21-2011, 05:03 PM
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So much of this comes down to the instructors. If those are your two options and you are looking to use them to get your foot in the door for MMA you need to have a heart-to-heart with the instructors to find out their goals for their students and see if they align with your own.

From my experiences I would personally lean towards kickboxing unless the Karate instructor really impresses you. I recommend skipping any style that disallows punches to the face in competition as some things are very hard to unlearn.

Another quick check is to look at the physical condition of the other students; it often speaks volumes as to how recreational the setting is compared to your interests in MMA.
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post #26 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-06-2011, 03:33 PM
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Im sorry but for me, personal experince. Kick boxing.

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post #27 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-14-2011, 08:38 PM
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First of, from what I've seen, American Kenpo Karate seems like complete crap. Sure, that may vary a great deal but beware the Mc Dojos...

Then, there are very many different schools of Karate. I faced a similar decision like you and googled to find the strongest Karate. Internet told me that it was Kyokushin.

So I started doing Kyokushin Karate. My impressions are:

- Very good exercise for your body
- No clinching
- Little realistic practice of fighting with strikes to the head.
- Strong kicks, like in Muay Thai.
- Use of elbows and knees, like in Muay Thai.
- A lot of time is dedicated to learning techniques not for realistic use but for style and as part of learning the martial art.
- So far, being a beginner, not that much actual sparring.

I'm happy with it and will continue (been 6 months now). But if you want to get down and dirty from the get go then I suggest you pick something else. Kyokushin produces great fighters (given the rule-set) but the sparring is pretty different than in actual MMA because since no strikes to the head is allowed you stand really close to your opponent. Going from that to MMA would certainly require adaption. Also, since there is no real clinching you will have to learn that somewhere else...

But like I said, Kyokushin is really good.
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post #28 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-14-2011, 08:44 PM
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For self defence you can't beat judo and jujitsu.

In competition I don't think I would mess with a dojo that teaches one specific style that's dying anyway.
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post #29 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-14-2011, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by snook_crook View Post
Im sorry but karate deserves no place in the world of mixed martial arts ask any fighter they'll tell you.
Well I'm not a licensed fighter but my sensei is one of the most decorated judo/bare knuckle fighters to compete and as a student I can tell you this post is just false.

Did you mean tkd? I mean some fighters can make it work but the average person is better served utilizing a form that is more adapt to mma.

Sry bout t dbl post.
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