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asdf1234 05-18-2007 02:35 AM

The Side Kick.
 
Why don't you see any fighters using this in MMA? I bet if they trained it to a high enough level, it would be a very useful kick. It was also Bruce Lee's main move.. if he could side kick a 150lb bag 15 feet in the air, I'm sure a lot of MMA fighters today could do that with enough training. If they can land back kicks, they can land side kicks.

wukkadb 05-18-2007 02:46 AM

You really leave yourself open with sidekicks

asdf1234 05-18-2007 02:52 AM

Care to elaborate? A side kick is a good defensive move, from my expierience. If they try to shoot or take you down, you can't really get passed the side kick unless you roll it off, which isnt easy against a strong, fast kick, espeically if you're trying to take them down.

wukkadb 05-18-2007 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by asdf1234
Care to elaborate? A side kick is a good defensive move, from my expierience. If they try to shoot or take you down, you can't really get passed the side kick unless you roll it off, which isnt easy against a strong, fast kick, espeically if you're trying to take them down.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~outkd/images/..._side_kick.jpg

It's just an akward position to be in I think, you're very open for a takedown if you don't land your kick. That's just my opinion though

EastPhilly 05-18-2007 09:40 AM

In the gym I go to a couple of us started doing sidekick as a combo if we missed the round-house kick and didn't spin all the way around. Many people would put their foot down right after they missed, not spinning full around with the momentum, and would get kicked in the back of the leg or just pummeled. So we started using sidekicks with it. If we miss the roundhouse and the person starts coming in we just let the foot tap the ground and come up to their chest for a nice hard kick. I've been hit with it in the chest and it took me out of training for two days, so it does work.

edit: I see what you mean wukka for being open to takedowns, but if you use it like I said (using the back foot after missing the round-house) then you should be able to bring it back or even sprawl quick enough.

Cyclist 05-20-2007 02:07 AM

Every move has their time and place, I do like throwing my side kick at people when they are facing me. I prefer to be on the outside to throw the kick at them. I dont feel so open when I step out from a big punch and throw the kick.

But I would never open with the side kick, and only after I have successfully moved to the idea. Thats the only way I could throw that kick.

LV 2 H8 U 05-20-2007 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EastPhilly
In the gym I go to a couple of us started doing sidekick as a combo if we missed the round-house kick and didn't spin all the way around. Many people would put their foot down right after they missed, not spinning full around with the momentum, and would get kicked in the back of the leg or just pummeled. So we started using sidekicks with it. If we miss the roundhouse and the person starts coming in we just let the foot tap the ground and come up to their chest for a nice hard kick. I've been hit with it in the chest and it took me out of training for two days, so it does work.

edit: I see what you mean wukka for being open to takedowns, but if you use it like I said (using the back foot after missing the round-house) then you should be able to bring it back or even sprawl quick enough.

It's a good move, but you have to use it with the spin too. Don't want to be to predictable. Spinning back hands are a nice one to mix in after a missed kick too.

EastPhilly 05-20-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LV 2 H8 U
It's a good move, but you have to use it with the spin too. Don't want to be to predictable. Spinning back hands are a nice one to mix in after a missed kick too.

Also Spinning back albows. ;)

Kin 05-22-2007 04:48 AM

I think sidekicks are pretty effective, personally, but its very underused. A low sidekick to the stomach/abdomen can do massive damage. Like most other high-payoff strikes, such things are best worked into combinations. Or used to chase retreating opponents.

I've not seen any MMA guys on TV who have high level kicking abilities, or at least not enough for this, but... If you treat a lead-leg kick like a lunging jab (in terms of footwork) you can cover considerable distance and add alot of power. I'm not great at explaining this technique, but essentially, you lunge...but with a kick! It's not a hop, though, it's more like a slide. I've found that I can nail people with this, if they're retreating from straight punches.

However, this type of kick is rather difficult to perform -- especially without majorly telegraphing. Plus, speed is a factor with this.

Actually, it's quite a tangent, but I dont see many MMA fighters with very developed kicking ability. I guess people probably dismiss all but low roundhouses, since kicking can't be used as much as punching. Plus, with a higher learning curve -- and when considering the fact that a bad punch is much more effective than a bad kick -- it wouldn't make much sense to spend time on kicking, for efficiency's sake.

Onganju 05-22-2007 08:45 PM

There are a few reasons why you don't see Side Kicks in MMA.

1) Kicking skills aren't as advanced in MMA. Just like in comparison to boxing, most MMA practitioner's kicking skils are not as advanced in comparison to those who kick consistently. Throwing a kick in such a fashion is not an entirely "intuitive" thing either. There is a reason why the side kick is the second taught kick in most TMA's and it is thrown hundreds of thousands of times over the course of study. Considering that, it is not a tool that can so readily be implemented into a MMAist's fight game. In that regard, Kin is correct.

2) It is a risky technique because it is harder to throw without being telegraphed. Unlike the MT style of throwing a round kick, you can't throw a side kick without the chamber. This is really hard to do without revealing your intentions, and if you consider the footwork involved with a sliding/stepping side kick it can it gets even harder.

The only way to get around that is to set up your side kick by way of combination (which I can gaurantee you that a very small percentage of modern MMAists even entertain the idea of training-see above) or by kicking at a high volume with multiple types of kicks. I've seen a few full contact Karate, TKD and Kick Boxing matches where side kick kos occur after the person has been peppered by round kicks in succession. After the person gets their opponent used to blocking the round kick, they chamber the leg and switch to a side kick catching them blocking the wrong way. This wouldn't happen in MMA with the option to clinch or take down the opponent. Which brings up the last point:

3) Side kicks require range, and can be stuffed regularly with a takedown. This is in relation to the both above. If you correlate the side kick to a rear cross/straight, then you see that the true "breaking power" of the kick is held at the end of the attack. If the contact is too close, then the practitioner ends up pushing their opponent away and not breaking the target. Consequently also, if the person defending the kick steps aside from it the momentum will carry them past the target unless it is quickly snapped or jabbed out from the front leg. Even then, the body turn and extension will leave the thrower on one leg with their body turned away from their opponent. That is a prime opportunity for a takedown.

Taking that into consideration, it's not too suprising why it isn't as prevalent in MMA. There are a lot of risks, and there isn't as much time for competitors to dedicate in order to make regular use of the skill when they have to concentrate on everything. In time, I'm pretty sure that we'll see it implemented by a competitor with effective results. Heck, they said the same thing with the turning/back side kick, the mongolian chop, and jumping attacks on a prone opponent but Sakuraba proved that all of those can be used with great success. It will happen.


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