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Old 08-16-2006, 04:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question What is the Tao of Elbow Strikes?

Will somebody please help me with some specifics with regard to developing my elbow strikes. I feel that my elbow strikes are:
1.Not fast enought;and I believe that speed has to be one of the main factors in the winning equation, if the the biggest one.
2.Not powerful enough;I believe that connecting is not good enough if what you connect with doesn't have enough power.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
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Generating power in your elbow strikes is all in the hips. Just like with many strikes, power is generated from the ground up. Let's take for example the horizontal elbow.

From a standard ready position, if you're going to throw a horizontal elbow with the front hand the action would go like this:

1) Drop your fist and raise your elbow so that your forearm is parallel to your chin.
2) Pivot the heel of your front foot outward to facilitate the turning of your hips toward the opponent just like you would with a lead hook. This will allow a fuller rotation of your hips to generate power.
3) The rotation of your hips should begin the rotation of your shoulders toward the taget. You want a good compact rotation as this generates the majority of the power, but you don't want to overexaggerate the swing to upset your balance.
4) On that rotation, you want to swing your elbow accross horizontally in a compact, chopping manner. It will be short, no more than 90 degrees from the side of your body into your target.
5) Coincide the swing with a shift of weight forward onto your front leg by pushing off your rear leg and dipping into your front leg a small amount (2 or 3 inches). Since elbows are used primarily on the inside (where the range won't facilitate true power punches, you need not slide your front foot forward.
6) Connect with the target with the point of your elbow and chop into it by about 2 inches.

A few things to consider when throwing an elbow (this or any elbow):
  • Do not clench your fist when throwing an elbow. This tenses the arm musculature, and impedes the speed of the movement.
  • Keep your non striking hand up as if your in range to elbow someone, they can elbow you back. Some advocate that you bring the back of the open non-striking hand up in front of your forehead. Some texts advocate that your keep it close to your chin as you would in a standard boxing stance. I think this one can be compromised, by bringing your open hand up to the level of your brow. This way, you can still defend any incoming elbow strikes, while still having your arm accessible to defending any strikes that may be launched toward your body.
  • Try to connect with the point of your elbow as this is the hardest joint in your arm (the second hardest in the body, after your heel). Hitting higher up will disperse a lot of the striking force, and you'll make contact with the softer musculature of your forearm. Also, hitting with the point of the elbow will ensure the likelihood of cutting your opponent which is one of the side effects of a well thrown elbow.

A simple drill to help develope power in your elbows is this:
1) With a heavy bag (or a partner with a shield or pads), stand in front of the target with your hands up at shoulder level like your holding the lapels of a jacket and your elbows out.
2) Without removing your hands, swing your body with the rotation of your hips and shoulders and make contact to the target with your elbow. You are doing this without any arm movement in order to train the movement of your legs and hips.
3) At the end of the swing, push of your rear leg slightly and transfer your weight forward onto your front leg. This will teach to commit body mass into the strike.

Remember: Force = Mass X Acceleration. It will take a while to build ample amounts of speed in your movements, but it will take even longer to train the body to move in a way to commit full mass into the strikes. I'll break down the nuances for other elbow strikes when time permits. I hope this helps.
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Old 08-17-2006, 07:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you practice elbows on the heavy bag, use the hardest bag you can find, filled with sand or something
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Onganju
Generating power in your elbow strikes is all in the hips. Just like with many strikes, power is generated from the ground up. Let's take for example the horizontal elbow.

From a standard ready position, if you're going to throw a horizontal elbow with the front hand the action would go like this:

1) Drop your fist and raise your elbow so that your forearm is parallel to your chin.
2) Pivot the heel of your front foot outward to facilitate the turning of your hips toward the opponent just like you would with a lead hook. This will allow a fuller rotation of your hips to generate power.
3) The rotation of your hips should begin the rotation of your shoulders toward the taget. You want a good compact rotation as this generates the majority of the power, but you don't want to overexaggerate the swing to upset your balance.
4) On that rotation, you want to swing your elbow accross horizontally in a compact, chopping manner. It will be short, no more than 90 degrees from the side of your body into your target.
5) Coincide the swing with a shift of weight forward onto your front leg by pushing off your rear leg and dipping into your front leg a small amount (2 or 3 inches). Since elbows are used primarily on the inside (where the range won't facilitate true power punches, you need not slide your front foot forward.
6) Connect with the target with the point of your elbow and chop into it by about 2 inches.

A few things to consider when throwing an elbow (this or any elbow):
  • Do not clench your fist when throwing an elbow. This tenses the arm musculature, and impedes the speed of the movement.
  • Keep your non striking hand up as if your in range to elbow someone, they can elbow you back. Some advocate that you bring the back of the open non-striking hand up in front of your forehead. Some texts advocate that your keep it close to your chin as you would in a standard boxing stance. I think this one can be compromised, by bringing your open hand up to the level of your brow. This way, you can still defend any incoming elbow strikes, while still having your arm accessible to defending any strikes that may be launched toward your body.
  • Try to connect with the point of your elbow as this is the hardest joint in your arm (the second hardest in the body, after your heel). Hitting higher up will disperse a lot of the striking force, and you'll make contact with the softer musculature of your forearm. Also, hitting with the point of the elbow will ensure the likelihood of cutting your opponent which is one of the side effects of a well thrown elbow.

A simple drill to help develope power in your elbows is this:
1) With a heavy bag (or a partner with a shield or pads), stand in front of the target with your hands up at shoulder level like your holding the lapels of a jacket and your elbows out.
2) Without removing your hands, swing your body with the rotation of your hips and shoulders and make contact to the target with your elbow. You are doing this without any arm movement in order to train the movement of your legs and hips.
3) At the end of the swing, push of your rear leg slightly and transfer your weight forward onto your front leg. This will teach to commit body mass into the strike.

Remember: Force = Mass X Acceleration. It will take a while to build ample amounts of speed in your movements, but it will take even longer to train the body to move in a way to commit full mass into the strikes. I'll break down the nuances for other elbow strikes when time permits. I hope this helps.
great post...

the only thing I can add is to keep weight on the back leg....elbows are damaging but if u miss and ur weight is in the front leg ur exposed and recouperating is hard....so transfer the weight down and forward but maintain preassure on both feet....
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Originally Posted by Onganju
Generating power in your elbow strikes is all in the hips. Just like with many strikes, power is generated from the ground up. Let's take for example the horizontal elbow.

From a standard ready position, if you're going to throw a horizontal elbow with the front hand the action would go like this:

1) Drop your fist and raise your elbow so that your forearm is parallel to your chin.
2) Pivot the heel of your front foot outward to facilitate the turning of your hips toward the opponent just like you would with a lead hook. This will allow a fuller rotation of your hips to generate power.
3) The rotation of your hips should begin the rotation of your shoulders toward the taget. You want a good compact rotation as this generates the majority of the power, but you don't want to overexaggerate the swing to upset your balance.
4) On that rotation, you want to swing your elbow accross horizontally in a compact, chopping manner. It will be short, no more than 90 degrees from the side of your body into your target.
5) Coincide the swing with a shift of weight forward onto your front leg by pushing off your rear leg and dipping into your front leg a small amount (2 or 3 inches). Since elbows are used primarily on the inside (where the range won't facilitate true power punches, you need not slide your front foot forward.
6) Connect with the target with the point of your elbow and chop into it by about 2 inches.

A few things to consider when throwing an elbow (this or any elbow):
  • Do not clench your fist when throwing an elbow. This tenses the arm musculature, and impedes the speed of the movement.
  • Keep your non striking hand up as if your in range to elbow someone, they can elbow you back. Some advocate that you bring the back of the open non-striking hand up in front of your forehead. Some texts advocate that your keep it close to your chin as you would in a standard boxing stance. I think this one can be compromised, by bringing your open hand up to the level of your brow. This way, you can still defend any incoming elbow strikes, while still having your arm accessible to defending any strikes that may be launched toward your body.
  • Try to connect with the point of your elbow as this is the hardest joint in your arm (the second hardest in the body, after your heel). Hitting higher up will disperse a lot of the striking force, and you'll make contact with the softer musculature of your forearm. Also, hitting with the point of the elbow will ensure the likelihood of cutting your opponent which is one of the side effects of a well thrown elbow.

A simple drill to help develope power in your elbows is this:
1) With a heavy bag (or a partner with a shield or pads), stand in front of the target with your hands up at shoulder level like your holding the lapels of a jacket and your elbows out.
2) Without removing your hands, swing your body with the rotation of your hips and shoulders and make contact to the target with your elbow. You are doing this without any arm movement in order to train the movement of your legs and hips.
3) At the end of the swing, push of your rear leg slightly and transfer your weight forward onto your front leg. This will teach to commit body mass into the strike.

Remember: Force = Mass X Acceleration. It will take a while to build ample amounts of speed in your movements, but it will take even longer to train the body to move in a way to commit full mass into the strikes. I'll break down the nuances for other elbow strikes when time permits. I hope this helps.
This is a great response to my inquiry. It is certainly very helpful.
Thank you.
Do I dare impose upon you for a similar break-down and description of how to work on:
1.There is an elbow strike that moves forward and upward, it strikes the opponent's chin much like an uppercut.
How does one throw this one properly, and how does one develop one's proficiency with it?
2.There is an elbow strike that is very much, I believe, a very effective self-defense technique if someone grabs you from behind.IN this strike, you drive your elbow rearward, to connect with the opponent's solar plexus, or the pit of the opponent's stomach.I do not know what the name of this strike is, but I believe that you know what I mean.
What is the right way to execute this strike, and how does one develop one's proficiency, similarly?
Again, your response has been very helpful, and I see what I must work on!
Sincerely, Ferdelance
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Up/Uppercut Elbows

The Up Elbow? Sure...

Throwing the Up Elbow is very similar to throwing a good compact uppercut. All principles to throw an effective strike apply to the Up Elbow. We'll consider throwing the Elbow from the lead side. To execute an Up Elbow:

1) Dip your front shoulder and lower your base by bending at the knees about 2 or 3 inches. Anything more would be ineffecient, and would open up your head on the side your throwing the elbow quite a bit.
2) Begin to rotate the side of your body by pointing your hip toward your opponent.
3) In turn begin rotating your shoulder toward your opponent.
4) Throw the elbow like you would an uppercut, but ballistically increase the bend of your elbow bringing it from the ready position up to the level of your forehead. Your hand on the arm throwing the elbow will continue past your ear on the same side. The elbow should form a strong triangle when looked at from the side.
5) As you throw the elbow, stand up into it and punch your hips forward as you strike. This will commit the entirety of your body mass into the strike.
6) Connect with the point of the elbow to your opponent's chin. If you have one hand on the back of your opponent's head (if your in a clinch situation), pull the opponent's head down into the strike at the same time and aim for their nose or forehead.
7) Return to the ready position by bringing your elbow down to it.

If your throwing it from the rear hand, you'll turn that side of the hip into your opponent and rotate your rear shoulder toward the opponent.

The real power of this strike does not come from your shoulder or arm. Consequently, it comes from pushing off your legs as you stand into the strike as this commits your body mass into the strike. If you have one hand on the back of your opponent's head and pull them down into the strike, it will accelerate their head toward the striking surface adding to the physics that allow a greater generation of force. In truth, very small amounts of arm movement actually goes into the strike. All the power comes from the legs up.

To drill this elbow effectively your best served to have a willing partner with either focus mitts or thai pads, as heavy bags do not facilitate the forceful drilling up these types of attacks. Also, keep in mind this is an inside fighting weapon (just like an uppercut) and is not a weapon to fire from the outside.

I hope that helps. I'll get to the back elbow when time allows.
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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here are some easy to watch and understand videos of some muay thai elbow techniques.

The Forward Elbow:

Master Sken - Thai Boxing - Forward Elbow - Google Video


The Spinning Back Elbow:

MUAY THAI TECHNIQUES: SPINNING BACK ELBOW THAIBOXING - Google Video

The Downward Elbows:

Downward Elbow in Muay Thai boxing - Google Video

and here is another way to throw downward bows.

MUAY THAI TECHNIQUES: DOWNWARD ELBOW thaiboxing. - Google Video

the Upward Elbow:
(Notice how his hand covers his ear for protection when throwing the elbow)

MUAY THAI TECHNIQUES: UPWARD ELBOW THAIBOXING - Google Video

and here is Just a combo with a well placed Elbow in it. definetly worth watching.

YouTube - Master Sken - Thai Boxing - Body Punch
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my elbows are my best weapons.
i suggest you get a nice strong heavy bag and just work on inegrating them into your stand up as well as throw the heavy bag on the ground and work on throwing elbows from a ground position get yourself on the side of the bag, mounted, and even in a standing position as if the bag was your opponent laying on his back. then just start bust'n some ass.

you'll find it is a different work out when you are trying to throw elbows while your oppoenent is on their back on the ground.
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Hi Ferdelance

As an additional note to what ongonju said - if you're looking to improve both your speed and power: before you launch the elbow strike, your hand would be next to your face, roughly perpendicular to the ground, with your palm facing inward. As you launch the strike, flip your palm downwards and your thumb outwards (so at the point of contact your palm would be facing outwards with the thumb pointing down) This twisting action will add a lot of speed & snap to the strike, and also ensures that you strike with the right part of the elbow. Just make sure you're well balanced and don't over-extend the strike, because if you miss you'll be way over to one side and vulnerable to a counter.

With the up-elbow I like to add a bit of a forward step into it (like when you jab) because it gets you in nice and close, and even if you miss his chin (which is common) your forward movement will carry the strike into his neck, throat or chest. If you do land it, follow up with a quick rear elbow (ie: lift the head, then chop it off)

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