What exactly is "Iron Palm?" Who teaches it? Should I try to learn it? My special lady has a copy of the book "Model Mugging," in which the author emphasizes palm heel strikes as the ultimate self defense technique in terms of effectiveness.So:
1.What can somebody tell us about Iron Palm, and
2.Do you agree or disagree with the author of "Model Mugging" that palm heel strikes represent the best way to counter attack your opponent in a street self defense situation?
As always,
Ferdelance
It doesn't work on someone with balls of steel. My friend punched me in the balls with the knuckle of his hand as hard as he could and it didn't hurt. He got me right in there too. He got a nice back hand bitchslap for the "present" he gave me.
Forget a kick to the groin. Use a nice palm strike to the chest or use the edge of your hand to damage the opponent's windpipe. I'd like to see anyone beat the odds of a crushed windpipe in a fight.
Strike to the neck > strike to the groin. I've kicked someone in the balls in a real fight, and it didn't stop them. However, last time I checked, no one can 'tough it out' with a collapsed windpipe.
Yeah, when things are REALLY serious, a general kick to the groin usually just pisses people off. They kick your ass, then worry about their sore nuts later.
The one exception - ANY time - is if you land squarely on a nut and rupture it. Then they go down, no questions asked.
Strike to the neck > strike to the groin. I've kicked someone in the balls in a real fight, and it didn't stop them. However, last time I checked, no one can 'tough it out' with a collapsed windpipe.
Hell no dude, its a fight, the endorphins (sp) kick in and it just makes you more mad:angry06: :angry06: :angry06: . I've been nut kicked in fights, it hurts like hell but when you're pissed off it just makes you go harder.
Tell me more about the sternum shot.How do you aim it? How do you execute it properly? How do you train it? And what should be the effect on an opponent of a sternum shot properly executed?
Thanx,
Ferdelance
The sternum shot I think he's tlaking about would be aiming for the solar plexsis, which is right under where your ribs end in the center of your chest, right above your stomach. Feel that soft spot? Punch yourself there as hard as you can and you'll see what he's talking about.
Also, I agree that Throat strike >> Nut strike lol
1. Don't know enough
2. Yes, palm heel strikes are the most effective, not just because of power- but more importnatly: the likelihood of you breaking your hand in a streetfight is much higher than in the ring. The palm strike prevents a majorly debillitating break.
And if you can't palm strike use fist-punches where your thumb is to the top, as recommended by Dempsey. Actually more powerful and still safer for yuor hands.
To ACTUALLY answer your question federlance, Iron Palm is similar to Iron Vest and Iron Groin technique. Iron Palm originates in the kung fu practices of Shaolin. It's basically hand conditioning, what do u do is take a bag of gravel (they start off with dried beans usually), put it on a hard surface. General rule is 100 strikes a day, each hand. Its important that you dont use too much force, relax your arm and drop your hand into the bag, exhaling each time. Use some force, but dont try and smash your hand down into it, this is the kung-fu way. quite soft compared to karate (hitting the maki-wara) but that will **** up your hands in the long run and give u arthritis and nerve damage. anyways, hit that thing at least 100 times each day, both hands, with your palms and with your knuckles, and edge if u want. after a couple months youll notice a difference, after a year you'll have really really ******* tough hands. also, rubbing dat dit jow is important, or at least hot water, but rub a lot. the circulation is important for rebuilding the tissue and making your hands strong
Thanx for a great post.Also a very informative one.
thanks again.
Listen, I never heard of Iron Vest or Iron Groin.These are completely new to me.
so:
1.What is Iron Vest? And how do they train it?
2.What is Iron Groin? And how do they train that?
Thanks again,
Ferdelance
We're not talking about UFC here chief. We're talking about a street fight or a defense move. If we were talking about the UFC then why would be talking about groin strikes? Aside from the early days of UFC, you do know those are illegal in UFC nowadays....right?
ps. proper force to teh groin will hurt anyone, jsut because you have tiny, sterile nuts doesnt mean nobody gets hurt from groin kicks/knees
So just cause it didn't hurt makes less of a man than you all the sudden? Uh no. I'm used to being hit down there. So are alot of people. Have you ever been to high school? Random jerks will hit you there for no reason whatsoever. You kinda get used to it after a while. Some guys will get hurt by groin kicks, only to tough it out and become more aggressive and mean. A nice punch to the chest will leave a hurtin' on your opponent.
first of all, calling me chief is an insult to native americans and fireman everywhere. secondly, maybe it was beyond my perception to insinuate your less of a man... my actual point tho, if you notice, is that just because u happen to have unusually desensitized balls (if that really is the case), you shouldnt be telling people that groin kicks are ineffective.
Also, i realize the difference between UFC and the street... the chicks are hotter and the drugs are legal. However, the similarity between UFC and the street is that each participant is trying to hurt the other as much as possible. Since CHEST STRIKES are legal in UFC, why do u suppose they would be striking at the head and lower torso? u get three guesses. if you guessed that your wrong, your right.
first of all, calling me chief is an insult to native americans and fireman everywhere. secondly, maybe it was beyond my perception to insinuate your less of a man... my actual point tho, if you notice, is that just because u happen to have unusually desensitized balls (if that really is the case), you shouldnt be telling people that groin kicks are ineffective.
I never said groin strikes aren't effective...I said chest strikes are more effective than groin strikes. Chances are kicking someone in the balls may stun them, but if and when they decide to tough it out is when they become far more aggressive and far more intent on hurting you. Think of it like this: kicking a bull in his package will set him steaming mad and he will become far more aggressive.
Also, i realize the difference between UFC and the street... the chicks are hotter and the drugs are legal. However, the similarity between UFC and the street is that each participant is trying to hurt the other as much as possible. Since CHEST STRIKES are legal in UFC, why do u suppose they would be striking at the head and lower torso? u get three guesses. if you guessed that your wrong, your right.
o i agree, kicking a bull in the nuts will piss him off. but id have a better chance downing a bull with a nutshot than a "palm strike to the chest" you friggin lunatic.
aside from fighting bulls(wtf), how might one WIN in UFC? by beating the opponent senseless u silly freak. screw u and your chest palm strikes, ur witless mang.
ps. hwo many people u KO'd or seen KO'd with a PALM STRIKE TO THE CHEST? never, not a one... ive seen peoples dropped by groin kicks tho, g'head and google that sh*t youll get loads
o i agree, kicking a bull in the nuts will piss him off. but id have a better chance downing a bull with a nutshot than a "palm strike to the chest" you friggin lunatic.
I don't think you're mature enough to debate on a message board...
ps. hwo many people u KO'd or seen KO'd with a PALM STRIKE TO THE CHEST? never, not a one... ive seen peoples dropped by groin kicks tho, g'head and google that sh*t youll get loads
You don't see anyone winning UFC matches with a palm strike to the chest because that would probably be illegal. With a well-placed palm strike to the chest (more specifically the heart region) you could die. People are dropped by groin kicks? Yep. They sure have. A palm strike could leave a more lasting effect than a groin kick though. That's for damn sure.
so... u think palm strikes to the chest are illegal in UFC. keep thinking that, just dont poison anyone else with your anti-logic.
gluteal cleft, ya i agree... mostly groin kicks are grazes, we're pretty much built to protect our repoductive organs (Darwin ftw). i mean ive been punched in the balls during a fight BUT it wasnt solid and i proceeded to land 3 uppercuts. if you have an opening for a good solid kick to the balls, thats gonna be fukin devastating.
plainly put 'guy', if we had a game of shot for shot, and i was kicking you in the balls, and you u palming me in the chest... you'd get pwned, anyone would. unless your a shoalin preist who's practiced iron groin technique and dim mak palm strike techniques since a child.
oh ya and as for lasting affect, how about never having children, thats a good one (and please dont give me that novice crap about killing someone with a single strike to the heart, u watch too many kung fu movies)
I'm not trying to reassure anyone about not using groin kicks. I am just saying a palm strike (or punch) to the chest area (more specifically the heart region) if far more lethal.
gluteal cleft, ya i agree... mostly groin kicks are grazes, we're pretty much built to protect our repoductive organs (Darwin ftw). i mean ive been punched in the balls during a fight BUT it wasnt solid and i proceeded to land 3 uppercuts. if you have an opening for a good solid kick to the balls, thats gonna be fukin devastating.
Unless it was a knee to the balls, I doubt a kick could be "fukin devastating." It'd hurt to an incredible extent, yes, but not enough to put your body at risk.
plainly put 'guy', if we had a game of shot for shot, and i was kicking you in the balls, and you u palming me in the chest... you'd get pwned, anyone would. unless your a shoalin preist who's practiced iron groin technique and dim mak palm strike techniques since a child.
Don't think this is just palming...it's also punching. I don't mean any random placed chest punch, I mean a direct hit to where the heart is located. 2 or 3 powerful punches to the heart area is lethal.
oh ya and as for lasting affect, how about never having children, thats a good one (and please dont give me that novice crap about killing someone with a single strike to the heart, u watch too many kung fu movies)
Too many kung fu movies? I haven't even watched a kung fu movie before. It just takes common sense and logic to figure out that a hit to the heart is more lethal than a kick to the ol' groin.
not to appear gay or gross but I have heard of someone who was caught in the n/s position and to get out he put his finger up the guys ass. dirty fighting does have its place. especially if the guy is out to hurt you.
Uhm, I actualy know two guys who got a ball removed after getting it kicked stuck in the belly somewhere. And from what ivé heard from at least one of them it felt like hell was having a party inside. So don't say groin shots in a fight aren't that dangerous or painfull. And a thai clinch with a hard upward shin kick will probably do more damage than anything.
As for the palm strike. Just practice punching like you would with your fists. Only now with an open hand. The palmstrikes are effective when you land them on the temple and when you strike em dead in the face, But i think it is most effective whe you land them on the soft spots. Aspecialy the liver strike like BR demonstrated in pancrase can be devastating because it is way easyer to dig your palm into the side then it would for a fist. Important is that you don't push "trough" but "up" when driving the palm into the side. Causing the liver to get more shocked then just driving it into the other organs. Watch some old bas rutten fights and you'll see what I mean.
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