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Old 12-19-2007, 01:12 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The honest truth is that the quality of your kicking will drop. Unless you spend as much time on kicking as you do now, your kicks will get sloppier than it previously was. This is not to say that you will no longer be able to kick, but like someone said "if you don't lose it, you'll lose it." It also may take a while for this to happen, but it will.

Even if you keep practicing kicks, you probably won't be practicing as much as you did in TKD. As such, you'll likely retain the important basics but the higher level stuff will start to fade.

I'm in a similar boat as you. I stopped taking TKD a few years ago, and while I can still do the moves, I don't do them all that well. Still, Boxing is a good idea.

It's probably because I'm biased that I say this, but you should drop Wing Chun instead. Go with boxing, and you'll have good hands. Keep TKD and you'll have good feet. and if you're creative, maybe you can find a way to use them, beyond leg kicks and such.

Though, as was said above, wrestling is a real good idea too.

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Old 12-19-2007, 12:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Rick Spain is a really good WC instructor, if I had the chance to train with him I would. He is training his students in WC and BJJ right?

He is part of Combat Centres right? They seem to be doing well as a Martial Arts training organization in Aus.

You might want to stick with Rick, I think he along with Wing Chun, cross train you in boxing, kick boxing and grappling.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Rick Spain is a really good WC instructor, if I had the chance to train with him I would. He is training his students in WC and BJJ right?

He is part of Combat Centres right? They seem to be doing well as a Martial Arts training organization in Aus.

You might want to stick with Rick, I think he along with Wing Chun, cross train you in boxing, kick boxing and grappling.

Yes that is correct, that's why I can't really leave Wing Chun as someone earlier suggested because that how I train my BJJ, the only other place that has BJJ is nearly a 2 hour drive away.
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Currently I train TKD, Wing Chun and BJJ, I'd been training TKD for about 4 years when I first began to train Wing Chun and not suprisingly I guess the first thing I noticed that the Wing Chun guys kicking standard was significantly lower than the TKD guys. Now I'm thinking about chucking in TKD to start boxing however one thing I don't want to lose is the form on my pretty kicks, ofcourse I'd continue to practice them whether I was formally training or not but do you guys think that my standard would drop without the influecne of a TKD class or do you think I'd be fine as long as I continued to drill my kicks when I train.
I had a fight a couple of months ago with a guy who's a TKD blackbelt, and I'll say that he was no where near as good as the Wing Chun guys I train with. His hands were terrible and frankly, I could have traded with him all day and not been worried about getting hurt. That tends to be my experience fighting TKD based fighters.

TKD is a speed based martial art, and the form is to help build speed. Unfortunately, even guys that have been doing it for ten years still don't get the power necessary to KO someone unless they start cross training.

My point is that the form on your kicks might be aestetically pleasing, but they're not going to hurt a guy who's got some experience in a fight.

This TKD guy I fought landed three or four kicks to my ribs in the space of about thirty or forty seconds, but the snapkicks do next to nothing. I might have been breathing a little harder, but no long term damage sustained.

The difference with Wing Chun is that WC has some power involved, and the quickness is on a whole different level. At least they've got their hands in a position where I need to change levels if I'm going for a takedown.

Don't worry about the form in your kicks, worry about developing power. How pretty they look doesn't really matter.
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Yeah, I think you got a good Wing Chun training group going for you. Thats really hard to find these days. Just take what you need and like from your TKD training apply it, integrate it into you personal strategy, and you should be set.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:47 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Man, Kung Fu is some crazy shit. I'd be all over it if there was a club around here. I'd agree with IronMan and Cyclist. Take advantage of the WC and focus more on boxing and grappling instead of TKD. I believe a lot in motor programming... Kind of the "it's like riding a bike" idea. If you do not continue to train your kicks semi-regularly, you will definitely lose some form and get a little rusty. However, if you supplement a good 15-20 minutes twice a week on your TKD technique, you'll maintain your pretty kicks. If you focus more on WC and boxing/grappling and start slacking on your kicks, you will still be able to hone your skills again in a reasonable amount of time because you've got those motor skills programmed already. Sounds computery, but it's true.

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Thanks for you response man, I hope your theory is right, sounds plausable.
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In my very brief and short few years in boxing I found that the pretty boys in karate and TKD didnt stand a chance against someone who practices boxing. For example this guy I fought afew months back after I ko'd his friend wanted to fight me because he was a higher belt (brown) in karate. We fought about 15min after I ko'd his friend. He looked sharp and "pretty" as he ran through his forms it almost looked like a kung fu dance. He didnt look so pretty when he caught a left hook and found me in his half-guard punching him in the face as he taps frantically.

Power and Speed are what makes a fighter, looking pretty while fighting....not so much.
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In my very brief and short few years in boxing I found that the pretty boys in karate and TKD didnt stand a chance against someone who practices boxing. For example this guy I fought afew months back after I ko'd his friend wanted to fight me because he was a higher belt (brown) in karate. We fought about 15min after I ko'd his friend. He looked sharp and "pretty" as he ran through his forms it almost looked like a kung fu dance. He didnt look so pretty when he caught a left hook and found me in his half-guard punching him in the face as he taps frantically.

Power and Speed are what makes a fighter, looking pretty while fighting....not so much.
Honestly, as much as I like Karate, belts don't mean a whole lot. My Shihan (master instructor) was pretty tough and very critical during testing, but I got to brown belt in only 2 years. I actually skipped some tests because I felt guilty about jumping up so fast. When I got to brown, I didn't have an opportunity to test for black until I did so-much time teaching as Sanpai, and I was a Junior in high school at the time and got into other sports. ALSO, there was a black belt in TKD who joined the class. Guess how old he was... 10! And he was only four-foot something. I looked at him like a joke because it made me think of kid-size shoes. My 4-year old boy has size 12 shoes, as opposed to my size 11. Does that mean he's got bigger feet than me?

Plus, the chambered fist at the hip is a bad idea in MMA. I remember my first day in MMA... My instructor laughed and said "you were in Karate, huh?" I learned a lot that day.

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