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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 12-23-2007, 03:25 PM Thread Starter
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alright im 16 and i was at this party last night it was a high school party but these 3 twenty year old guys were ther because ther bit**es that no one likes. but i was talking to this one girl and all of the sudden a 23 yr old guy sucker punches me right in the jaw i didnt see it coming at all one of my hands was in a pocket the other holdin a drink and it made me fall back through a door way. i have been takin bjj for 5 months and muay thai for 3 and im currently doin wrestlin. he jumped in my guard and i tried to upkick him in the face but ended up hittin him in the sholder and then it broke up he definately got the better blow. still dont know y he did some ppl said it was a dare others said it was because i was hittin on his gf earlier. i got a bloody lip and my jaw hurts alittle but ive been hit harder but the question is is it alright to start a fight with a sucker punch and be a bitch or should u square up to the guy for a real fight. anybody have any comments
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Probly shouldn't start a fight in the first place. If someone is starting a fight with you and you know you are going to end up in the fight, swing first.
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alright im 16 and i was at this party last night it was a high school party but these 3 twenty year old guys were ther because ther bit**es that no one likes. but i was talking to this one girl and all of the sudden a 23 yr old guy sucker punches me right in the jaw i didnt see it coming at all one of my hands was in a pocket the other holdin a drink and it made me fall back through a door way. i have been takin bjj for 5 months and muay thai for 3 and im currently doin wrestlin. he jumped in my guard and i tried to upkick him in the face but ended up hittin him in the sholder and then it broke up he definately got the better blow. still dont know y he did some ppl said it was a dare others said it was because i was hittin on his gf earlier. i got a bloody lip and my jaw hurts alittle but ive been hit harder but the question is is it alright to start a fight with a sucker punch and be a bitch or should u square up to the guy for a real fight. anybody have any comments

The latter reason seems the more plausible. But you cant just jump at people and suckerpunch them. Unless your on TUF.

SO yeah he shoudlnt do that.

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alright im 16 and i was at this party last night it was a high school party but these 3 twenty year old guys were ther because ther bit**es that no one likes. but i was talking to this one girl and all of the sudden a 23 yr old guy sucker punches me right in the jaw i didnt see it coming at all one of my hands was in a pocket the other holdin a drink and it made me fall back through a door way. i have been takin bjj for 5 months and muay thai for 3 and im currently doin wrestlin. he jumped in my guard and i tried to upkick him in the face but ended up hittin him in the sholder and then it broke up he definately got the better blow. still dont know y he did some ppl said it was a dare others said it was because i was hittin on his gf earlier. i got a bloody lip and my jaw hurts alittle but ive been hit harder but the question is is it alright to start a fight with a sucker punch and be a bitch or should u square up to the guy for a real fight. anybody have any comments
hey he didnt worry about suckerpunching u so y shuoldu? i would sukerpunch the fker and then if hes willing for moreilgivehim more
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well, if we live by what Bas Rutten says,

I wouldnt sucker punch him, especially if I'd been doing to muy tai. Id straight up kick him behind the head dude.\
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alright im 16 and i was at this party last night it was a high school party but these 3 twenty year old guys were ther because ther bit**es that no one likes. but i was talking to this one girl and all of the sudden a 23 yr old guy sucker punches me right in the jaw i didnt see it coming at all one of my hands was in a pocket the other holdin a drink and it made me fall back through a door way. i have been takin bjj for 5 months and muay thai for 3 and im currently doin wrestlin. he jumped in my guard and i tried to upkick him in the face but ended up hittin him in the sholder and then it broke up he definately got the better blow. still dont know y he did some ppl said it was a dare others said it was because i was hittin on his gf earlier. i got a bloody lip and my jaw hurts alittle but ive been hit harder but the question is is it alright to start a fight with a sucker punch and be a bitch or should u square up to the guy for a real fight. anybody have any comments
Firstly, let's make one thing clear. It seems like you know why he punched you in the face. If you hit on a guys girlfriend, it's to be expected. The first rule of self-defense is not to put yourself in a position like that.

You asked a question that, in the self-defense world, is actually an interesting debate.

"Should you square up with a guy?"

Sure. As a fighter, there are some ethics that we try to work with, but even worse than hitting a guy that's not expecting it is b*tching about getting punched when you're not expecting it.

There's a basic concept that I learned a long time ago (and I'm only a little bit older than you), and that's always to be aware of your surroundings. It's self-defense 101. Realistically, not everyone has the decency to tell you when they're pissed off.

The second bit is that you shouldn't ever whine about your opponents ethics. You, as a martial artist, can have ethics, but if you ever whine about losing a fight because your opponent broke the rules, it's a reflection on your ability as a practitioner, not on his ethics, and you're forgetting why all this stuff exists, to deal with guys who don't have the same ethics we do.

Personally, there are some policies I have, like never to armbar a drunk, because they don't know their pain threshold while intoxicated. Still, I'm not going to complain that "Oh, he was drunk and I didn't want to use that kimura" if I get punched in the face a few extra times while dealing with a guy who's had some to drink.

That said, I have one piece of advice that you really, really need to hear, because it's not something that people get taught the easy way, unfortunately.

Never hit on someone else's girlfriend.

You can plead the ignorance defense, and that's fine, but if you put yourself in that situation at some point you are going to have to deal with a guy who's bigger, stronger and more experienced than you are and doesn't really care whether or not you knew that she showed up with him.

I've been in plenty of situations where I've beaten guys up over girls, whether because they were with me, or with someone I knew, or simply because the guy was disrespecting a chick. You don't want to be the guy that acts tough and hits on a girl and ends up pulling his teeth out of his throat the next morning. You just don't.



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Never square up with someone that you don't know. You have no idea how far they're going to go. If you MUST fight them, beat them down quickly and mercilessly.

If its someone that I don't know, and he's big and tough looking, there's a fair chance that I would pull a weapon. Of course, this is after trying not to fight.

Does that make me a b*tch? Hmm. Maybe. But in the end, who cares? I've been in my fair share of scraps, and something to remember is that... well for one thing, you always get hit. If I'm going against someone who might be able to floor me in one punch, I'd rather not risk it. I expect that my martial arts training would overcome sheer size and strength (if he's unskilled), but why risk it in an uncontrolled environment?

If he wins, and knocks me out. He could do anything to me when I'm down. He could steal my money, or he could stomp me to death. Whatever it is, I'll have absolutely no control while I'm unconscious.

I also don't think that I'm the only one who follows this logic. So, if I square up with someone, I recognize the risk of him just pulling out a weapon. I see it like this; why do I plan on fighting with him? What is my intent WHILE fighting with him? Usually, my intent is to deal damage, not see who's the better fighter. So, in said situation, I might as well get straight to dealing the damage. The less time he has to retaliate, the better.

But as everyone else has already mentioned, just don't get into this crap in the first place. Win or lose, you've got to keep in mind that everyone has friends, everyone has a friend with a weapon, and nobody likes to get embarassed in front of their peers. Things escalate.

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Firstly, let's make one thing clear. It seems like you know why he punched you in the face. If you hit on a guys girlfriend, it's to be expected. The first rule of self-defense is not to put yourself in a position like that.

You asked a question that, in the self-defense world, is actually an interesting debate.

"Should you square up with a guy?"

Sure. As a fighter, there are some ethics that we try to work with, but even worse than hitting a guy that's not expecting it is b*tching about getting punched when you're not expecting it.

There's a basic concept that I learned a long time ago (and I'm only a little bit older than you), and that's always to be aware of your surroundings. It's self-defense 101. Realistically, not everyone has the decency to tell you when they're pissed off.

The second bit is that you shouldn't ever whine about your opponents ethics. You, as a martial artist, can have ethics, but if you ever whine about losing a fight because your opponent broke the rules, it's a reflection on your ability as a practitioner, not on his ethics, and you're forgetting why all this stuff exists, to deal with guys who don't have the same ethics we do.

Personally, there are some policies I have, like never to armbar a drunk, because they don't know their pain threshold while intoxicated. Still, I'm not going to complain that "Oh, he was drunk and I didn't want to use that kimura" if I get punched in the face a few extra times while dealing with a guy who's had some to drink.

That said, I have one piece of advice that you really, really need to hear, because it's not something that people get taught the easy way, unfortunately.

Never hit on someone else's girlfriend.

You can plead the ignorance defense, and that's fine, but if you put yourself in that situation at some point you are going to have to deal with a guy who's bigger, stronger and more experienced than you are and doesn't really care whether or not you knew that she showed up with him.

I've been in plenty of situations where I've beaten guys up over girls, whether because they were with me, or with someone I knew, or simply because the guy was disrespecting a chick. You don't want to be the guy that acts tough and hits on a girl and ends up pulling his teeth out of his throat the next morning. You just don't.
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Is it ok to sucker punch someone in a street fight? Well... first consider this people such as myself carry a concealed weapon. I personally carry a .40cal glock, but people will carry all kinds of guns, knives, and all kinds of weapons. When you fight on the street you should fight as hard and as fast as you can, show no mercy. Remember people die in such fights all the time, will you it be you?

This one time when I was about your age (I think I was 17) I made the same mistake. I hit on a girl who had a boy friend and he beat my ass. He didnt even have to sucker punch, he was faster, stronger and a better fighter. And its for reasons like this that I decided to get a concealed weapons license. Don't think that practicing a martial art by itself will make you safe at parties/bars thats why I recommend to bring friends or carry a weapon legally.

If someone is willing to "sucker-punch" you and continue to attack you afterwards you end up in a zone I like to call "reasonable person standard"

"Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm."

This is why you dont start street fights. Someone is hitting on your gf you punch him in the face and when he hits the ground you kick him in the ribs and he pulls out a gun and shoots you in the head 3 times. Your dead and he will never see a jail cell or be convicted of a crime.

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You guys are really escalating this thing. Streetfighting is dangerous ofcourse but not to the level you guys claim. Yes, there have been deaths in street fights, but very few. Ive never heard of one around here and ive been around. I would say ive seen more than a hundred street fights,(ive worked as a bouncer) and been in a fair share. Never have i seen a death.

Dont start fights ofcoarse, but dont back away from a fight because you think he might kill you, thats stupid. You cant let yourself get dis-respected just because you think they could have a weapon.
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