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Old 06-14-2008, 05:12 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Zender, my man, i thought we were well past that petty bickering. When you were PMing me with your 'guesses' on my ailment, i had nothing but an open mind. So when i tell you that you were dead wrong, and then i gave u a second shot, and u were dead wrong again... then you accuse me of lying about it? Please, maybe you need a mana potion, maybe you were picking up residual negative energy from a cancer patient in bangladesh, whatever just accept the fact u got it wrong.

Power to vanilla power, it's nice to read an intelligible post that doesn't make me want to defacate in frustration. It's true americanfighter, it happens all the time... people develop a reverance for their sensei and assume their word is law, your instructors are only human, and were probably suckered into these beliefs the same way you are now. Zender will tell you that people liek me and vanilla fear foreign concepts and therefore reject them... do i sound afraid or do i sound skeptical? Is my reasoning not realistic? If i were afraid i would reject 'chi' theory and all of its counterparts immediately. On the contrary, i spent nearly a year studying both Qi Gong and Tai Chi, learning Qi Gong peronally from a master of many years, and learning Tai Chi in a class from a Tai Chi master of similar caliber. Not to mention the books and countless hours of research. Point is, it was when i began to understand it that i began to disbelieve... much like my experience with religion. I suppose some people have the ability to recognize inconsistencies, and some don't.
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Old 06-14-2008, 06:09 PM   #92 (permalink)
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with what I am doing is not that hard core as you guys are talking about. Me nor my instructors have been suckered in to anything. look with this I am not gaining any mystical powers or body shields or Qi balls that I can throw at people be cause that stuff isn't real.

but developing QI has done wonders for my health I use to have knee back and neck pains and serious circulation problems that disappeared after a month of training.

the problem is that when people think of Qi people some times are thinking of several different things and have too general a definition a real acurate definition of Qi is about 4 pages long in a text book.
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Old 06-14-2008, 06:25 PM   #93 (permalink)
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the best way I could put how I feel is that Qi is a natural force or energy inside you that makes you body function and that through training which includes deep concentration breathing techniques and flowing movements the QI can be manipulated in your body and strengthened.

its not the ability to throw Qi balls at people or the ability to make yourself a human shield and then your impervious to bullets and spears and stuff like that.
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So you're saying it's similar to yoga, except it actually serves a purpose and offers real benefits. I'm glad to hear someone is able to derive benefits from qigong or tai chi chuan.

I can't meditate for sh*t. even doing mu kyung (or mu shin for you karate practitioners) only makes me fidgety. I have a lot of nervous energy I guess.

I don't know why but it's only in sustained motion (running, sparring, forms) that I find the most tranquility.
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american fighter.... that means u were 5000 pounds overweight and when u decided to train for a couple months you lost some weight, and thus taking pains off your back and knees...LOL
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yoga offers real benefits but it depends on the person and what is right for them.
I take a style called Pa Kua Chang also known as Bagua Zhang and we do allot of hard stuff and combat applications.

but we practice form and when doing these forms we focus really hard on our breathing and on what ever body part is being engaged. Through patients slow precise movement and relaxing and constant flowing rhythm we strengthen manipulate our Qi and move it through our body. This helped my circulation. also this helps our strikes flow better.

oa kua fighting methods greatly involve circle walking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT3iK...eature=related

there are many appellations like these in our forums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hiWa22S3o
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Any kind of excersize will improve circulation and joint issues, what did u think physical rehab is?

Aside from that, are there any other effects of chi? From what you're saying, the only thing that proves there is chi or qi is that you can feel it. Please, just study some basic psychology, your mind is capable of making you feel something just by thinking of it. Likewise you can also block actual feelings by not concentrating on them. I've seen a lady who was taught to feel a numbness in her leg, and through practice was eventually able to undergo surgery without anaesthetics by blocking out any pain. You can also induce sensations that are made up in your mind, it's easy.. in fact u can try this, tell someone that believes in qi that you are going to try an ancient technique of energy transferral, have them open their hand and say 'now tell me when you feel a warming or tingling sensation in your hand' and make it look as if your using your skillz to move qi into their hand from yours. i gaurantee if they want to believe it then it will happen. Street magicians do this kind of crap all the time, if your going to argue for qi and against psych, you should understand both, otherwise your just being ignorant. Everyone should be taught psych in school along with phys. ed, you might feel like u exist in a physical realm but in reality we are just a few electromagnetic signals stimulating chemical reactions, if our entire reality is in our heads then why shouldnt we be taught to understand our psychological functions?... gettin a bit off topic i guess
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Zender, my man, i thought we were well past that petty bickering. When you were PMing me with your 'guesses' on my ailment, i had nothing but an open mind. So when i tell you that you were dead wrong, and then i gave u a second shot, and u were dead wrong again... then you accuse me of lying about it? Please, maybe you need a mana potion, maybe you were picking up residual negative energy from a cancer patient in bangladesh, whatever just accept the fact u got it wrong.

Power to vanilla power, it's nice to read an intelligible post that doesn't make me want to defacate in frustration. It's true americanfighter, it happens all the time... people develop a reverance for their sensei and assume their word is law, your instructors are only human, and were probably suckered into these beliefs the same way you are now. Zender will tell you that people liek me and vanilla fear foreign concepts and therefore reject them... do i sound afraid or do i sound skeptical? Is my reasoning not realistic? If i were afraid i would reject 'chi' theory and all of its counterparts immediately. On the contrary, i spent nearly a year studying both Qi Gong and Tai Chi, learning Qi Gong peronally from a master of many years, and learning Tai Chi in a class from a Tai Chi master of similar caliber. Not to mention the books and countless hours of research. Point is, it was when i began to understand it that i began to disbelieve... much like my experience with religion. I suppose some people have the ability to recognize inconsistencies, and some don't.
Hey I'm not bickering. But don't go on like you're so civilized when you've proven you have the potential to be far from it.

I appreciate you're honesty but I told you there was something just about an inch to the upper/inside of the top/front of you're left pelvic bone. Yes? I didn't even know what organs were there. I'm no doctor, as I said. I'd like to add (as previously stated in an earlier post) both times I tried, I got the same place VERY strong.

Read this......
Intestinal Ulcer
Make sure to note the symptoms don't necessarily relate to the area of the ulcer.

It seems to me you need to figure out where exactly this ulcer is before you go writing people off as you've become accustom to.

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Don't worry yourself over people like that mate. When certain people don't understand a belief or theory, it instils fear. Thus creating a tendency to ridicule to give a sense of self importance.
^^^ Apologies, that was taking the piss out of the idiots, hence the sarcastic emote.
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yha but I tryed several differint types of theropy be fore this and this was the only one that worked well.

he I am not going to try to argu with you man belive it or not I use to think the same way you do on the subject of Qi. I chose to study pa kua for the superior footwork and leg strength and accidentally fell upon this Qi stuff.

I feel that this is just like religion in the sense that you have to have experience it because if someone like you has made up their mind that they dont want to believe in it weather their right or their wrong nothing can change your mind. I suggest anyone to practice qi gong its done wonders for me including joint and mussel pains overall health and i dont get so overly stressed or worried anymore about things like collage. But you have to embrace it with open arms and leave all preconceived ideas behind
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