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I guess i overestimated you, my bad but still, its funny you answered my question... it was a mock question man, i figured youd be offended by it actually and have more dignity than to answer to it.
lol, well what exactly dont you understand about quantum gravity, ill probably be able to give u some answers.

I like how you castigated me for acting as if i knew the absolute truth... and then you end with "which is true". there is no absolute truth so we must assume things based on what we have observe and conceive.
im sayin just because people have believed some form of this stuff for thousands of years proves nothing, ad numerum argumentum - many people believing in something does not make it true... testing theories, defining our environment systematically is truly credible
LOL C'mon it was a blatant attempt to patronise or offend. More than probably both. Believe it or not, being offended is something you can choose to rise above. I thought there would be more dignity answering the question that was asked. Regarding the quantum gravity question. I meant along the lines of explaining the results of perturbative quantum field theory & how the results convert into a workable model.
I also find your relation to what I said was true & absolute truth sheer comedy gold. I think we both know what we both mean & are now just arguing for the sake of it.
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LOL C'mon it was a blatant attempt to patronise or offend. More than probably both. Believe it or not, being offended is something you can choose to rise above. I thought there would be more dignity answering the question that was asked. Regarding the quantum gravity question. I meant along the lines of explaining the results of perturbative quantum field theory & how the results convert into a workable model.
I also find your relation to what I said was true & absolute truth sheer comedy gold. I think we both know what we both mean & are now just arguing for the sake of it.
Actually all ive done is discredit all of your supporting arguemnts for why chi would exist. You may be arguing now for the sake of arguing, which is understandable because you have nothing relevant left to say about chi. You started out with all this crap about electromagnetism and popular beliefe, and you've been wittled down to asking irrelevant open-ended questions about niche physics... which is kind of funny considering the lack of credibility you give to science because "scientists are consistently finding out they know nothing". lern 2 continuity
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Actually all ive done is discredit all of your supporting arguemnts for why chi would exist. You may be arguing now for the sake of arguing, which is understandable because you have nothing relevant left to say about chi. You started out with all this crap about electromagnetism and popular beliefe, and you've been wittled down to asking irrelevant open-ended questions about niche physics... which is kind of funny considering the lack of credibility you give to science because "scientists are consistently finding out they know nothing". lern 2 continuity
Crap I'm gonna have to answer this. lol

Where I was going with it was that my personal experience (involving others that had no initial input) has proven beyond doubt, to me & many others, that this energy does exist. Especially given the sceptical nature of my paranoid views. I'd also like to add, when doing healing, I've had those energy points (not all at the same time) become quite uncomfortable. All in my imagination I suppose.

Chi, I've been told on numerous occasions, is roughly translated as life force energy. So in that case, it falls into the same category as all the other cultures who believe in such a thing. Methods of application & source vary somewhat but it's basically the same thing.
Kirlian & Aura photography are methods that some debate & strive to disprove. Admittedly, I don't know enough about the specific methods to debate in such detail. So I'd advise arguing with the numerous scientists who claim that that's what they do.

Btw I do give credibility to certain aspects of science, but to think they've got the mind/body all figured out is a bit naive IMO. The irrelevant open ended questions were to point out that if top physicists are admitting they have barely scratched the surface, so then should we really be so adamant on an ideology that's being rewritten constantly?

Lastly, I don't expect everyone to believe what I've experienced. I've been slated from all angles for years & I wasn't far off that mindset myself 12-15 years ago. But once you've had this type of experience, it's hard to deny. Also, I think what I've experienced is a pretty minimal compared to our potential. *insert uplifting cliché*
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haha, nice one Smoker. This is pretty deep stuff. I'm officially lost.
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Crap I'm gonna have to answer this. lol

Where I was going with it was that my personal experience (involving others that had no initial input) has proven beyond doubt, to me & many others, that this energy does exist. Especially given the sceptical nature of my paranoid views. I'd also like to add, when doing healing, I've had those energy points (not all at the same time) become quite uncomfortable. All in my imagination I suppose.

Chi, I've been told on numerous occasions, is roughly translated as life force energy. So in that case, it falls into the same category as all the other cultures who believe in such a thing. Methods of application & source vary somewhat but it's basically the same thing.
Kirlian & Aura photography are methods that some debate & strive to disprove. Admittedly, I don't know enough about the specific methods to debate in such detail. So I'd advise arguing with the numerous scientists who claim that that's what they do.

Btw I do give credibility to certain aspects of science, but to think they've got the mind/body all figured out is a bit naive IMO. The irrelevant open ended questions were to point out that if top physicists are admitting they have barely scratched the surface, so then should we really be so adamant on an ideology that's being rewritten constantly?

Lastly, I don't expect everyone to believe what I've experienced. I've been slated from all angles for years & I wasn't far off that mindset myself 12-15 years ago. But once you've had this type of experience, it's hard to deny. Also, I think what I've experienced is a pretty minimal compared to our potential. *insert uplifting cliché*
You keep referring to science as if its totally unstable and always changing. To an extent this is true but the vast majority of scientific discoveries are concrete. However, yes, in the abstract and completely metaphysical realm quantum physics there is not much, if any concrete evidence to support the theories. You need to learn how to differentiate between the highly debated and accepted theories in the scientific community.
Anyways, ultimately this is irrelevant because "life force" with any other name is intangible by definition, and cant even be read by instruments that surpass our own senses. So you cant prove this exists scientifically, thus you cant disprove it. which brings me to why it is people like yourself and many others choose to believe in chi or whatever it may be. purely psychological, the power of suggestion has far more influence than most people realize... this is why they have placebo's in human testing for drugs, people THINK they are experiencing something, and since the brain is such a magnificient device, it is capable of propogating this belief.. sometimes strictly mentally but sometimes expressed physically. feelings of energy, warmth, numbness, pain can all be activated by a persons own mind, on purpose or not. you can observe the power of this in people who have had surgery with no aneasthetic, totally awake and lucid... this is possible by psychological training, in one case a 60 year old woman was able to numb the feeling in her leg in order to undergo an operation with no drugs at all. in some cases, people have walked when they shouldnt be able to, beaten cancer, shit if you concentrate enough people have been able to learn to control their heart rate. in short, its all in your head.
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You keep referring to science as if its totally unstable and always changing. To an extent this is true but the vast majority of scientific discoveries are concrete. However, yes, in the abstract and completely metaphysical realm quantum physics there is not much, if any concrete evidence to support the theories. You need to learn how to differentiate between the highly debated and accepted theories in the scientific community.
Anyways, ultimately this is irrelevant because "life force" with any other name is intangible by definition, and cant even be read by instruments that surpass our own senses. So you cant prove this exists scientifically, thus you cant disprove it. which brings me to why it is people like yourself and many others choose to believe in chi or whatever it may be. purely psychological, the power of suggestion has far more influence than most people realize... this is why they have placebo's in human testing for drugs, people THINK they are experiencing something, and since the brain is such a magnificient device, it is capable of propogating this belief.. sometimes strictly mentally but sometimes expressed physically. feelings of energy, warmth, numbness, pain can all be activated by a persons own mind, on purpose or not. you can observe the power of this in people who have had surgery with no aneasthetic, totally awake and lucid... this is possible by psychological training, in one case a 60 year old woman was able to numb the feeling in her leg in order to undergo an operation with no drugs at all. in some cases, people have walked when they shouldnt be able to, beaten cancer, shit if you concentrate enough people have been able to learn to control their heart rate. in short, its all in your head.
Good post. I'm not sure where you lie here though. If it's all in my head; how do you explain how I've, time & time again, pinpointed people's injuries without any prior knowledge of them. There have been occasions when I've never even met or knew the person. Someone's told me they know someone who's not 100% & I've told them to say no more, just to see if I can get it right, more for a bit of a challenge & to prove to myself. I know how crazy it sounds, hence my own scepticism. But it always seems to prove itself so why keep on doubting?
Oh btw, I'd appreciate it if you don't have me picked up by the feds & tested for weeks on end.
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Good post. I'm not sure where you lie here though. If it's all in my head; how do you explain how I've, time & time again, pinpointed people's injuries without any prior knowledge of them. There have been occasions when I've never even met or knew the person. Someone's told me they know someone who's not 100% & I've told them to say no more, just to see if I can get it right, more for a bit of a challenge & to prove to myself. I know how crazy it sounds, hence my own scepticism. But it always seems to prove itself so why keep on doubting?
Oh btw, I'd appreciate it if you don't have me picked up by the feds & tested for weeks on end.
ya man, and theres been hundreds, probably thousands throughout history who thought the same thing. and then they get a real test, like being introduced to someone they havent met and had to guess the persons ailment. always turns out to be hit and miss. u think u have paranormal powers, if you really believe you have senses beyond mine or the other 5.9 billion people on the planet, or the trillions of human history than why not use them? dont u have a moral duty to heal or at least diagnose people? you believe that u have some kind of mutation that has never occured in human history, let alone in your family line... wtf are u doing on an MMA forum? i know what your doing, your telling people this kind of crap behind a wall of anonymity where nobody can falsify your claims, if you had any real confidence in what your saying you would have used your supernatural ability. or what? the world is not ready for your kind? if you were supernatural you would be famous, you are neither... try and find self-worth in something real
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ya man, and theres been hundreds, probably thousands throughout history who thought the same thing. and then they get a real test, like being introduced to someone they havent met and had to guess the persons ailment. always turns out to be hit and miss. u think u have paranormal powers, if you really believe you have senses beyond mine or the other 5.9 billion people on the planet, or the trillions of human history than why not use them? dont u have a moral duty to heal or at least diagnose people? you believe that u have some kind of mutation that has never occured in human history, let alone in your family line... wtf are u doing on an MMA forum? i know what your doing, your telling people this kind of crap behind a wall of anonymity where nobody can falsify your claims, if you had any real confidence in what your saying you would have used your supernatural ability. or what? the world is not ready for your kind? if you were supernatural you would be famous, you are neither... try and find self-worth in something real
I believe everyone has the ability and it's people like you who've stifled the practice, where an open mind, dedication & practice is the only way it will go anywhere. But I've already said that. I spend hours & hours most weeks doing it, for no financial gain whatsoever. It's nothing special or miraculous IMO. If you think I want fame or any crap like that, it's blatant you don't know me. I come on this site to read about MMA & see people's views, which I thought was kind of obvious. And for your information, I've spoke about it before & asked people if they want to try it out, nobody came back with the challenge.

Please read people's posts & you'll be free of clue deficiency disorder & know what they're on about, instead of glancing over them with your inflated head up your arse looking for bits you can demolish. I'm finished 'debating' with you. Walk on.
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I believe everyone has the ability and it's people like you who've stifled the practice, where an open mind, dedication & practice is the only way it will go anywhere. But I've already said that. I spend hours & hours most weeks doing it, for no financial gain whatsoever. It's nothing special or miraculous IMO. If you think I want fame or any crap like that, it's blatant you don't know me. I come on this site to read about MMA & see people's views, which I thought was kind of obvious. And for your information, I've spoke about it before & asked people if they want to try it out, nobody came back with the challenge.

Please read people's posts & you'll be free of clue deficiency disorder & know what they're on about, instead of glancing over them with your inflated head up your arse looking for bits you can demolish. I'm finished 'debating' with you. Walk on.
lol, walk on, thats real epic. ok jon wayne, what do need in order to diagnose somebody? u need to see them, touch them or jsut think about them? if your within an hours drive ill take up your challenge, see im not against it, im against misinformation and ignorance... if u can prove what your talking about it legit id be thrilled, it would open up great new possibilities and ideas on the cognitive processes of the mind. i just think its more likely your intuition is at work and u perceive it as paranormal. intuition is the work of the subconcious, able to process a vast network of information in order to analyze the environment or subject... its not abnormal for someone to get a feeling about something, simply because their subconcious found something unfamiliar or unnatural that the concious mind simply did not have the accuity to pick up on. for instance a firefighter i saw once, who had a bad feeling while performing a rescue, bailed out of the building as blowback from one of the rooms engulfed the place in flames. he'd been in hundred of fires, his subconcious was attuned to the environment and gave him signals that somethign was wrong. some people dont listen to their intuition, i always do because my sub concious is infinitely more powerful than my concious. anyways, i just think thats more likely than some supernatural phenomenon that comes from a mysterious 'life force'
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