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Old 11-29-2006, 12:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Boxing D: 101b – Blocking and Covering

Now that we’ve established the standard Ready Stance and the basic Defensive movements, let’s take a look at the basic Boxing Blocks and Covers. These are simple textbook techniques that can be utilized against punches and high-line kicks (from the midsection up).

The beauty of standard boxing cover techniques is that the training of defense requires that you recognize the angle of attack, and not the individual attack technique. In that end, a high kick is defended with the same cover for a hook from the same side (but with more body movement to help mitigate a lot of the force of the attack) as it is the same the angle of attack. Granted, there are certain counters that exist for particular techniques. However, these specific counters are learned through drilling and sparring. Since the block is your last line of defense (literally) it is best to learn it first. Once your cover techniques are instinctive, it is a lot easier to add layers over that.

There are 5 basic Boxing Covers: The Jab Catch, High Lead Cover, High Rear Cover, Lead Body Cover and Read Body Cover. I will detail each as if you are in an orthodox stance, and your opponent is also in an orthodox stance.

Jab Catch: From the ready position, place your rear hand in front of your face by about 12 inches (it should end up right next to your lead hand) to receive the punch in your palm. Do not just hold the hand out in front of you, but smack into the punch so that it does not force your hand back into your face. Resist the urge to pat the punch away to the side, as that will bring your guard hand out of position. Many times this is used in conjunction with a slip or pull to bring you out of range or away from the direct line of the punch, and also with footwork to bring you in range for your own counter attack. This technique can be used against straight punches to the face.

High Lead Cover: From the ready position, bring your lead hand up by your ear (as if you are doing an Uppercut/Up Elbow) and rest either your fist or your fingertips on your skull above the ear. Turn your lead shoulder toward your opponent, tuck your chin and dip your stance to cut into the angle of their attack as you receive the attack on your forearm or upper arm. If you lean far into the attack, the attack will connect with your upper arm and shoulder. Do not place a flat palm against your ear as the suction created by your palm impacting your ear can ring your bell fiercely. Do not hold your arm out to the side of your head as you bring up your cover. I’ve seen many competitors hold up their arm in a high cover as they block a head kick, only to get rocked as the kick continues through and sends their own fist into their temple. By keeping your lead hand in contact with your head and turning your shoulder into the attack, you create an oblique angle for the attack to be deflected with, while offering your arm as a barrier. This technique can be used for hooks or high kicks coming to your lead side. When blocking a kick, you want to incorporate footwork and movement to take a lot of bite out of the impact.

High Rear Cover: Just like the High Lead Cover, but you bring your rear hand up and turn your rear shoulder toward your opponent as you dip your stance to cut into the angle of the attack. All the above prescribed conventions apply. This technique can be used to block hooks, overhand punches, and high kicks coming to your rear side. Again when blocking a kick, you want to incorporate footwork and movement to take some of the bite out of the impact. The legs are natural shock absorbers, and much of the impact can be mitigated by bending your knees and dipping your stance a few inches.

Lead Body Cover: From the ready position, bring your lead elbow tight to your ribs and turn your lead shoulder into the attack, and bend your knees to lower level a few inches as you receive the attack on your forearm and upper arm. Try to receive the punch on both the forearm and upper arm simultaneously to lessen the amount of cumulative tissue damage to your arms (this can cause a lot of muscle fatigue and can slow down your defense and offense with that limb). With your chin tucked, your lead hand will still be high up next to it. Your rear hand should still be held up high next to chin ready to block any subsequent attacks coming from the other side, or (even better) ready to launch a counter punch of your own. This is real simple and economic in movement. No dropping of the hands and you still cover your vitals. This can be used against uppercuts (both to the body and head), hooks to the body, and mid-level kicks to your lead side.

Rear Body Cover: Similar to the Lead Body Cover, bring your rear elbow tight to your ribs, turn your rear shoulder into the attack, and bend your knees. Same rules as the Lead Body Cover apply. This can be used against uppercuts, hooks to the body and mid-level kicks to your rear side.

And that’s a simple summary of Boxing Defense over the last 3 posts. It is an intuitive, simple and economic system of defense. However, as simple as it is, it is probably a larger task to train this portion of stand up than any attack technique. Rounds upon rounds, and hours upon hours have to be committed into the training of defensive techniques, upper body movement and footwork in order to become an elusive opponent with air tight defenses. Unfortunately, it doesn’t yield results as quickly as straight stand-up offense which is probably the reason why we see so little of it in MMA competition. Besides that, causing your opponent to miss is hardly ever considered highlight reel material (unless you’re Emmanuel Augustus).

In the next post (or so) I’ll apply the above theory and techniques to the OP’s questions.

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Old 12-15-2006, 12:18 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Okay, so How do you defend against
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a) an elbow strike?
b)a knee kick?
c)the ever popular punch or knee to the ribs?
d)a hook to the head, like a left hook or a right hook to the head?
e) a spinning back kick to the head?
Let’s put this through the technique filters I qualified in earlier posts.

a) An Elbow Strike. I’m going to assume you are talking about either a horizontal/cross elbow, or rotating/corkscrew elbow from a standing position. With that, here are some options:
1) Interrupt/Pre-Emptive Attack with an up elbow on the receiving side of the strike as you step into the attack. The elbow position will act as a fail safe/cover if the incoming elbow is faster than your attack, or if you are reacting slowly. You could also interrupt with a Jab, Cross or Takedown.
2) Dodge/Evade the attack while leaning back and return with a punch off of your mirror side, or an elbow of your own. If you dodge by ducking under, you will have an opportunity to shoot.
3) Deflect the elbow along the same path it was thrown as you lean away from it to unbalance your opponent. After which you can Punch or Elbow the opponent in the head, punch, and knee or kick them in the exposed area of their body, or tie them up and clinch.
4) Cover/Block using the High boxing covers listed above. Make sure to follow up with a counter attack or clinch.

b) A Knee Kick. If this is a knee kick while inside the clinch, read up on my thread Breaking a Clinch to see how to deal with that. If this is a free standing knee without benefit of a clinch, then I offer you the following (this also covers “knee to the ribs”):
1) Interrupt/Pre-Emptive Attack with a jab or cross. In training you can put this into practice by shoving your opponent off at the chest, shoulder or face to simulate this. You can also hit them with a push kick as you see them load the knee. Since your opponent is on one leg, it should be easy to upset their balance.
2) Dodge/Evade the attack by stepping or circling away from the attack and strike with a lead hook or elbow. If you dodge by stepping back, you can return fire with a kick (push kicks work real well), or shooting on the opponent’s leg.
3) Deflect the knee by patting/sweeping it toward your opponent’s centerline from the outside in. Counter with a striking combination of your choice, a takedown or clinch.
4) Cover using the appropriate body cover as you step back to lessen the force. Follow up with a counter attack or clinch.

c) A Punch to the Ribs.
1) Interrupt with a punch or elbow off the opposite side while keeping the applicable body cover in place.
2) Just like knee kick, you can Dodge/Evade the attack by stepping or circling away from the attack and strike with a lead hook or elbow. If you dodge by stepping back, you can return fire with a kick (push kicks work real well), or shooting on the opponent’s leg.
3) Deflect/Catch… Eh… I can’t seem to come up with one on this particular technique.
4) Cover using the appropriate body cover and counter with a strikes, a clinch or shooting for a takedown.

d) Hooks to the head are easier to deal with because of the angle of attack.
1) Interrupt with a straight punch off of the side that is receiving the hook, or with an up elbow on the same side that is receiving the hook as you step forward. You can also clinch high or shoot low if you see it coming soon enough.
2) Dodge by leaning back and returning with a combination of your own. You can also duck in and shoot.
3) Catch the hook by stepping in and reaching into the angle of the hook with the arm on the side being attacked and secure a grip on the back of your opponent’s head. Use that grip to bring them in to an elbow, or knee off the opposite side, or tie them up for a clinch.
4) Cover using the appropriate high cover listed above and then counter attack with your own punches, takedown or clinch.

e) Spinning Back-Kick to the Head. I’m going to say this is a back heel or back hook kick.
1) Interrupt with push kick to the back of your opponent, or shoot a low single on their supporting leg.
2) Evade by stepping back or ducking and coming forward with your own striking combinations or takedown.
3) Step forward to cut into the angle of attack while holding up your high cover. If you get hit with the leg, it will be high up on the backside of their thigh, and will not have the same amount of power needed to hurt you. You can either tie up the opponent and sweep their supporting leg, or attack with combinations.
4) Cover with the appropriate high cover and make sure to dip/bend your knees to mitigate the impact while blocking.

This should be more than enough to get you going. If you need any clarification/details don't hesitate to ask.

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Savage Strikes by, Mark Hatmaker
Bas Rutten's Big Book of Combat by, Bas Rutten
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Well i might do other stuff depends what situation im in or what i react to what flew into my mind but it would be most probably be these...


a) an elbow strike?
Um either block it which could be ineffective or move into it and catch it letting it hit a place where it hurts less/does less damage(ive never had to defend myself against one)

b)a knee kick?
whats that?

c)the ever popular punch or knee to the ribs?
punch - try to move out of the way and catch it to do some judo or arm locks or block with my forearm.
knee to the ribs if were both in a grapple position then try to push sideways the knee away from my ribs and try to do a takedown or throw

d)a hook to the head, like a left hook or a right hook to the head?block it with my forearm pushing it away from me.

e) a spinning back kick to the head?
Id try to duck it and stick my arm out incase im not fast enough, or move into it and catch it(moving into strikes is best when you cant evade them they have less power) or duck and set up a trap where my arm in a hook shape is waiting then i catch the foot and most probably trip them back so im in a ground and pound position.
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Damn Onganju... maybe you should be writing instructionals for money instead of posting it for free on this forum.
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Damn Onganju... maybe you should be writing instructionals for money instead of posting it for free on this forum.
Thanks... But I gotta' get back into training to put a lot of the material to practice. Unfortunately, "real life" isn't so accomodating. If it's kinda' hard for me to find the free time to spend in front of the keyboard to further add to some of my threads, how much free time (and money) do you think I have to train?

It'll all come in time, I guess.
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I tend to agree with this more. My gut level feeling is to disagree with people who say "take a shot to the body."
After all: Isn't that how Houdini was killed? Also, don't they teach, in a number of different schools ,that if a shot to the body results in damage to the spleen, or a lung being punctured by a broken rib, then you've got some serious problems!
yes?
No?
Thanx everyone,though,for your feedback.
Ferdelance. and yes, i admit: i do have a lot to learn.
Who doesn't?
First of all, houdini was surprised by a young man as he turned to face him in a bar... the guy wanted to test one of his tricks but caught him off gaurd. Also, Houdini wasn't a martial artist and didnt condition or build muscle in his midsection.
And theoretically yes, u can get hurt form a body shot.. realistically, even top contenders dont break ribs. You have to consider that they're wearing gloves which offers a wide area of contact against the flat surfaces of the torso, and nobody has the time within range to put all their power into the shot, not to mention fatigue (k, i mentioned it).
Point is, sometimes u just gotta take a shot, its better than taking one to the head in any case
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How do you defend against
a) an elbow strike?
b)a knee kick?
c)the ever popular punch or knee to the ribs?
d)a hook to the head, like a left hook or a right hook to the head?
e) a spinning back kick to the head?
So much of the discussion in this forum seems offense oriented, but it seems to me that the late great Bruce Lee made an excellent point when he said that your opponent isn't going to be standing still.He was talking about guys showing off their ability to break bricks...he said that bricks don't hit back.But your opponent probably will at least try.In all of the videos that I have seen, MMA and Muay Thai and kick boxing practitioners seem to abide by the philosophy of that American Civil War general who said that a battle is won by who gets there fustest with the mostest(First with the most).This seems contrary to martial arts philosophy in general to me, but more about that in another thread.But really, in all of these matches, I've never seen somebody block an elbow attack. It is possible,isn't it? If so, how? I've never seen anyone block a knee kick.That,too, is possible,isn't it? If so, how? The same question I raise for all of the devastating offense techniques that I list above.Sincerely,Ferdelance
There's already been some excellent posts here, here's my two cents for the best responses that I tend to use

a) an elbow strike?

The "Salute" block (or High Cover, as mentioned by Onganju) - This is the best standard kickboxing defence for any strike to your head coming from the side.. so it can be used to block a hook, a high kick, and especially good against an elbow (during standup). Assuming you have your hands high near your head in something close to a boxing/KB stance (with your arm fully bent, gloved hands near your head, and your elbows at your side pointed down at the ground), just raise your arm forward while keeping it bent .. basically, your elbow should trace a full 90 degree circle in front of you going from facing straight down as to facing straight forward. This should bring the meat of your whole arm (upper and lower bent together) to rest against the side of your head. Your whole arm should absorb the impact and block the strike.

The best thing about this block is that it's extremely quick and intuitive .. in the heat of a real fight/spar, complicated blocks fall apart or get faked out and leave openings. This one is so quick and instinctive that it's easy to do in the real thing. And even if you get faked out, it only leaves an opening for a body shot, which isn't nearly that bad.

b) A Knee kick -

The standard Muay Thai response and one I like to use is to raise the knee being hit and "check" or block the kick with your shin while leaving it loose. This is better than taking it full on the knee because 1. The looseness of a raised leg allows it to swing back and take less damage than a planted leg 2. Your grounded knee joint is supporting your entire body weight, the raised shin has nothing pressing down on it to heighten the tension 3. The shin bone is a lot thicker and stronger than the knee joint. Some hardcore MT fighters even train to deaden the pain in their shins by repeatedly banging them on shit.. but i wouldn't recommend that; it fkcs your legs up long term.

This is how effective a proper check can be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWHtelscgdo

To make the check even more effective, you can push/punch the other guy backwards while you check his kick.. this will take away his momentum and turn the kick into a little slap instead of a real hurter. But this is risky, because if he's just faking the kick, it'll give him an opening to punch YOUR face in.

Another MT response that's very good in theory but much harder to time right in the heat of a fight is the "cut-kick" or counter-kick. If you see a knee-kick coming, circle with it (move in a circle in the same direction as the kick is going) and counter with your own low/knee kick on the guy's other leg. With his other leg in the air, this will knock his support out from under him and splat him on the ground .. very impressive, but hard to pull off against guys with quick kicks. Can also be used against any other kicks.

c)the ever popular punch or knee to the ribs?

(Also mentioned by Onganju as "Body Cover") Again straight out of boxing, and it's already been said .. DON'T DROP YOUR HANDS TO PROTECT THE BODY. That's what the guy wants you to do .. he's not gonna knock you out with shots to the body, he's just softening you up with those hoping you drop your hands and he can knock your head out. But that doesn't mean you have to "just take it" either. Instead, if you're in something close to a standard boxing/KB stance, your hands will be high and your elbows at your sides facing down. If you see a body shot coming, just lean your body towards that side, so your elbow (with the upper and lower arm joined together to form a meaty block) will take the blow. Keep the arm touching your body so the force is distributed, and keep your hands high so you don't leave an opening.

If it's a sloppy knee, you could try to scoop it and takedown instead of a block, but it's risky. The guy could switch it into a knee to the head instead and then you turn into Rich Franklin against A. Silva.

d)a hook to the head, like a left hook or a right hook to the head?

Again, the best one I like is the salute mentioned for a).

If you're much shorter than your opponent, you can also duck/bob and weave under it, maybe even get an upper cut after.. Couture used this very well against Sylvia. Don't use the standard Boxing bob-and-weave though, where you lean your head forward while you duck.. thats prime position for a KO knee or MT clinch. Instead, keep your head and waist straight up as usual and bend/duck at your knees. And keep your hands high, otherwise you might duck right into a high kick. You can even turn the the ducking under the punch into a takedown, which is what most MMA guys would do with this. Very risky though .. like I said, you can get kneed or head kicked, which can be game over.

e) a spinning back kick to the head?

Just move back. Honestly, there's so much motion involved in one of these that you have a lot of time to see it coming and just move a step back. If you don't move back in time, try to bring up your hands to cover the front of your face completely.


The reason you don't see some of these strikes like elbows/knee kicks being blocked very often in the UFC is that at a professional level, guys get really good and fast at throwing them without telegraphing them. It's so hard to see them coming then, that a lot of times the only reflex response left is to either move out of range or take it. But the more you practice, the faster your responses can get.. I've seen most of these used very effectively in Amateur / Pro MT.

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simply step forward... lol sounds simple but it works, take the hit before it gets the chance to actually hurt.. than clinch, and throw bows or what ever you wanna do, this is pretty good cause nobody expects it
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lol no kidding. "Just move forward and take it". Also, if you're ever in a war and have a grenade thrown at you, the best thing to do? Jump on it and smother it with your body.. before it has a chance to hurt. It's great cos nobody expects it..
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