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Old 06-16-2008, 08:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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hey uhh guys, actually jumping on top of a grenade is a great sacrifice for the team... if my squad was at risk with a nade, and if i jumped on it and killed myself to save my squad of atleast 5 poeple, i would do it so its successful,

and also stepping forward is a great defence.. this is actually taught in martial arts, the whole point is that the attack doesnt get the chance to accelerate, its like throwing punch when there is no room, u just hurt yourself. only things that are proven to beat this is the one inch punch, but no one uses that in MMA now do they? cuz they got gloves on, it will be point less. also if it is a spin based attack like a roundhouse, or a hook punch, it will miss target and you will get hit by their biceps, which doesnt do any damage. this is quite useful actually, cause in return you can keep your guard up...Also they are right in front of you being open for anything real close,knees, elbows, uppercuts... its basically similar to the ideas of some karates using their forehead as their shield to head blows, by headbutting fists and stuff which is actually quite hard, unless you got amazing reflexes and control over your head... Also, this is the most useful against tall people. Its just like that saying a good defence is a great offence.
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:46 PM   #32 (permalink)
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and also stepping forward is a great defence.. this is actually taught in martial arts, the whole point is that the attack doesnt get the chance to accelerate,
Show me the martial artists who teach this defense and I'll show you martial artists with braindamage from being punched in the face.

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its like throwing punch when there is no room, u just hurt yourself.
I comment utterly ignorant of the principle of "striking through" and opponent's face.

If you think closing the distance is an effective way to minimize the power of the punch, then you should remember that it's not like the punch magically stops once it makes contact.

Also, it's not an effective way to avoid a combination, as one punch almost always sets up another.


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only things that are proven to beat this is the one inch punch, but no one uses that in MMA now do they?
And boxing. You forgot about boxing.

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cuz they got gloves on, it will be point less.
That's a stupid comment.

You don't think that JKD forms work with four ounce gloves on? You don't think kung fu works?

The reason you don't see them in MMA is because they aren't substantial enough fighting systems to deal with trained opponents.


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also if it is a spin based attack like a roundhouse, or a hook punch, it will miss target and you will get hit by their biceps, which doesnt do any damage.
Yeah, and then you will swiftly eat a knee as they apply the thai plum and proceed to break your face.

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this is quite useful actually, cause in return you can keep your guard up...
So what? You act like severe damage can't be done through the guard. In fact, it can, and often is.

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Also they are right in front of you being open for anything real close,knees, elbows, uppercuts...
Yeah, but if you're busy eating a strike, it won't matter because you'll be backed up to arms length in a second. And you can't see anything anyway, so you're probably not going to land it.

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its basically similar to the ideas of some karates using their forehead as their shield to head blows, by headbutting fists and stuff which is actually quite hard, unless you got amazing reflexes and control over your head...
Not really. I've seen this defense used in fights before, and I've had it used once against me. Only once, though, which, given the number of karate and TKD guys I've fought, is a little surprising.

I should just point out that generally a second punch follows the first one. If you block my first punch with your forehead, you've just allowed me to gauge the distance and perhaps even use some dirty boxing to make sure it doesn't happen again.


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Also, this is the most useful against tall people. Its just like that saying a good defence is a great offence.
You know, that saying is actually:

The best offense is a good defense, but the best defense is not getting punched in the face.
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:47 PM   #33 (permalink)
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ok, next time you do some punching excercises with a partner, y dont you tell him to hold a mit at a regualr distance, and another right up at your face, after you punch both of em as hard as you can without moving forward or back or anything, except your basic punching maneuver, if you ask your partner if the close up punch made him feel anything compared to the second one, i promise you he'll say no

i only suggested this as one of the ways to defend, i never said the best, and obviously it's very simple, you can be a retard and still know how to do this, (i know poeple who dont know how to block)

it is very difficult to land a knee unless you have a hold of you opponent and if your in a clinch, this move is obviously not the move you should use

about sever damage can do through guard.. that i dont understand.. what i said you get to keep yourhands up.. obviously you will be more protected with a guard than without one... never said you wont get any head damage as long as you keep your guard up, but it is certainly, no doubt, better...

Also after you stepforward, you said after you do it youll just eat a knee... are you implying that a simple step forward will stop you from doing any movements? can you not step forward and kick, or punch? If you were the dude doing this wouldnt you throw in a counter while stepping froward? why would anyone wait for someone to throw in a knee, its not like this is a defence counter combo, i just said step forward and you might find it beneficial, not step forward, and do nothing thats all you can do as your defence, now do nothing as you see knees coming up at your face, and wait for another round house or a hook...

When i said it is similar, i meant as in it is a defence where you realize that you are going to get hit, and atleast try to get hit in the least painful way. Also the skull is strong enough, that if you actually punched it direct on, you will break your fist.

when you say when your busy taking the hit, you wont be able to see anything.. you take it with your forehead, not your nose.. if your forehead cant fit a fist without covering your eyes, you have a problem with the size and shape of your head, since most homo sapiens can do this. When you see a soccer player head the ball, if they didn't close their eyes, they are perfectly able to see what is going on, even if a soccer ball is obviously bigger than a fist. and also if a guy is right in front of you, and you miss, even with your eyes closed, thats pretty bad....

one inch punch like i just said, no one uses them in mma do they, you disagree with what i have to say, yet you explain to me yourself that noone uses them... doesnt make sense.

i don't know about boxing bro... they usually keep at an arm length distance, and if your talking bout a clinch, that is completely different than what i am trying to explain here...i'm talking about being at armlength distance, then move right up in front of the guy's face

Please, i didnt put up all this just so i can start arguing... so dont get mad if i put some dumb stuff on this just ignore and correct me, but i will go on putting up what i know, and it is your choice to listen to it or not...hey maybe one day you'll get in a fight and find out what i said wasnt that bad... oh and i'm sorry that i mix around streetfights and mma alot in my replies....
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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i know what your trying to say about 'stuffing' or 'stifling' the punch, they do use that in boxing... but they also don't use MMA gloves in boxing where it will just hurt you. You're just kinda making it sound like its a good idea to use your head as a shield.

On that point, they do use the one inch punch in MMA, its just not recognized as a one inch punch. The principle is applied in any close quarters situation, where no power can be generated from the arm extension.. and the hip is used to generate the force of the punch. I've actually seen Chuck Liddel use this on Tito Ortiz, he dropped his body into it and everything, textbook technique actually i was impressed comming from a Wing Chun background. Also, it is effective with MMA gloves.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:30 PM   #35 (permalink)
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ok, next time you do some punching excercises with a partner, y dont you tell him to hold a mit at a regualr distance, and another right up at your face, after you punch both of em as hard as you can without moving forward or back or anything, except your basic punching maneuver, if you ask your partner if the close up punch made him feel anything compared to the second one, i promise you he'll say no
Next time you're chilling with your friends, why don't you stand hella close like that and ask 'em to jab you in the face, then hit you with a hook or an uppercut, so you can sleep easier.

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i only suggested this as one of the ways to defend, i never said the best, and obviously it's very simple, you can be a retard and still know how to do this, (i know poeple who dont know how to block)
Which is why you teach them how to block. Really, weaving and blocking are not hard to figure out.

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it is very difficult to land a knee unless you have a hold of you opponent and if your in a clinch, this move is obviously not the move you should use
If you come in like this, you're basically setting up the clinch for your opponent.

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about sever damage can do through guard.. that i dont understand.. what i said you get to keep yourhands up.. obviously you will be more protected with a guard than without one... never said you wont get any head damage as long as you keep your guard up, but it is certainly, no doubt, better...
Sure, but to say that it will protect you from a follow up punch is delusional.

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Also after you stepforward, you said after you do it youll just eat a knee... are you implying that a simple step forward will stop you from doing any movements?
No, I didn't imply anything.

I said that if you step in on a hook, your opponent will put a dirty-boxing clinch on your head and knee you in the face.


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can you not step forward and kick, or punch?
Go ahead. You're still in the clinch.

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If you were the dude doing this wouldnt you throw in a counter while stepping froward?
If I was stepping into an opponent's fist? I wouldn't block the punch that way.

I'd weave, then throw a counter. I like to not have my opponent's hand in my face when I punch.


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why would anyone wait for someone to throw in a knee, its not like this is a defence counter combo, i just said step forward and you might find it beneficial, not step forward, and do nothing thats all you can do as your defence, now do nothing as you see knees coming up at your face, and wait for another round house or a hook...
And as your opponent wraps that hand around your neck and smashes through your guard with that knee, you're going to be in trouble. I'm interested to hear how you would defend those from the dirty-boxing clinch, because moving forward into those is probably not a good idea.

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When i said it is similar, i meant as in it is a defence where you realize that you are going to get hit, and atleast try to get hit in the least painful way. Also the skull is strong enough, that if you actually punched it direct on, you will break your fist.
Personally, I'd rather not get hit at all.

You understand that the skull is not the part that matters when you get hit, right?


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when you say when your busy taking the hit, you wont be able to see anything.. you take it with your forehead, not your nose.. if your forehead cant fit a fist without covering your eyes, you have a problem with the size and shape of your head, since most homo sapiens can do this.
If you do this, you know that you'll still have your opponent applying pressure to your head, gauging the distance and making it fairly easy for him to land his next punch, right?

That's really the stupidest part of this.


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When you see a soccer player head the ball, if they didn't close their eyes, they are perfectly able to see what is going on, even if a soccer ball is obviously bigger than a fist. and also if a guy is right in front of you, and you miss, even with your eyes closed, thats pretty bad....
That's fine. There isn't another soccer ball that knows how far away they are now that they've gauged the distance.

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one inch punch like i just said, no one uses them in mma do they, you disagree with what i have to say, yet you explain to me yourself that noone uses them... doesnt make sense.
Just because you said one thing that's true doesn't make you right.

You may also note that no one in the sport blocks punches with their forehead. (except Mark Hunt, but he's special)


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i don't know about boxing bro... they usually keep at an arm length distance, and if your talking bout a clinch, that is completely different than what i am trying to explain here...i'm talking about being at armlength distance, then move right up in front of the guy's face
I do know about boxing, bro. And this is a stupid idea with or without the clinch.

Even without the clinch, you are setting up the next punch.

With the clinch, you are giving your opponent a free pass to beat your ass.


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Please, i didnt put up all this just so i can start arguing... so dont get mad if i put some dumb stuff on this just ignore and correct me, but i will go on putting up what i know, and it is your choice to listen to it or not...hey maybe one day you'll get in a fight and find out what i said wasnt that bad... oh and i'm sorry that i mix around streetfights and mma alot in my replies....
Ummm... I'm the moderator here. It's my job to point out things people say that are ridiculous and going to get the members of my forum hurt.

I've been fighting for a long time and I've seen guys use this method and I'm telling you, it doesn't work against someone who's going to hit you with more than just one punch.
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:30 PM   #36 (permalink)
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simply step forward... lol sounds simple but it works, take the hit before it gets the chance to actually hurt.. than clinch, and throw bows or what ever you wanna do, this is pretty good cause nobody expects it
Okay... In an effort not to respond as others have to this particular post, I will say this very simply. That is not where I would begin if I were teaching someone basic striking defense. While I know the reasons and mechanics for smothering punches, I doubt any offensively minded and reasonably skilled striker is simply going to stand in place and let you walk forward on them.

The control over range and the sense of timing required to be able to play an in-out striking game where your opponent's shots are smothered effectively is something that only comes with a lot of time and training. Without that, if you offer that to someone who is new or inexperienced you are offering them a quick way to get hurt. I am assuming that if someone comes onto a public internet forum and asks "How do you defend...?" that they have probably never trained, or are just beginning to train. In either case, I honestly feel I would be doing anyone who reads my posts a huge disservice by throwing something out there that will get them hurt.

It would be like telling someone to box a match like Roy Jones Jr. While what RJJ does works for him, it won't work for the rest of humanity at large because there isn't a plethora of people out there (much less reading my particular posts) that are blessed with the talent, physical ability, and a life time's worth of trained skills on hand to do what RJJ does.
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