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Ferdelance 10-06-2006 11:35 PM

How Do You Defend Against?
 
How do you defend against
a) an elbow strike?
b)a knee kick?
c)the ever popular punch or knee to the ribs?
d)a hook to the head, like a left hook or a right hook to the head?
e) a spinning back kick to the head?
So much of the discussion in this forum seems offense oriented, but it seems to me that the late great Bruce Lee made an excellent point when he said that your opponent isn't going to be standing still.He was talking about guys showing off their ability to break bricks...he said that bricks don't hit back.But your opponent probably will at least try.In all of the videos that I have seen, MMA and Muay Thai and kick boxing practitioners seem to abide by the philosophy of that American Civil War general who said that a battle is won by who gets there fustest with the mostest(First with the most).This seems contrary to martial arts philosophy in general to me, but more about that in another thread.But really, in all of these matches, I've never seen somebody block an elbow attack. It is possible,isn't it? If so, how? I've never seen anyone block a knee kick.That,too, is possible,isn't it? If so, how? The same question I raise for all of the devastating offense techniques that I list above.Sincerely,Ferdelance:dunno:

Onganju 10-07-2006 12:27 AM

Hmmm... I'll get into this one a little later. Expect a post on each mentioned technique.

Mastiff_Owner 10-07-2006 08:56 PM

ahh young ferdelance youhave much to learn.

to start most martial arts have similar defences with slight variations for example tae kwon do block have the meaty part of the bone out most karate has the bone side of the arm out. basic philosophy of bjj is keep them close on the ground so they can't hit you. then apply a submission, sweep or reversal.

there is no one way to defend anything or everything and defence is more often a reaction to the position you and your attacker is in. if you are looking to block knee strikes to your ribs,stomach etc a common defence is to turn sideways and use your leg kinda like a flamingo raised off the ground blocking your opponent. if you have been taking a lot of punishment to your legs and want to block that use your hand to push down on the offending leg of your opponent.

Those are two basic ways to defend knee strikes. I would say the best defence is to hit back so they don't want to get that close to land an elbow or knee. or just keep the fight at a distance. I will post more defence later. otherwise this could be a three page reply that won't get read.

Onganju 10-07-2006 10:20 PM

If you have a lot to contribute, please do. In the mean time, I'm going to sticky this thread to help avoid similar threads from being created.

SilentFury 10-08-2006 03:09 AM

I guess i'll be useful to the forums and contribute some advice to letter C, getting strikes to the ribs.

Getting punched in the ribs
One thing you must ALWAYS keep in mind is to NEVER EVER drop your hands to protect your body. Its like leaving gold for junk, you keep yourself wide open and fall into your opponents trap.
Since this is isn't clinch fighting, the best advance is to circle around and avoid the body strikes.

If your in a situation where you can't back up or circle around to dodge the body attacks, the best advace is to man up and a take a few shots for a bit.
I say this because:
1. You lure him into your trap
2. The opponent will get cocky and will be consistant with the body attacks.

Every attack has a loop hole, meaning anytime you attack..you leave an opening.
In the case of being cornered, the best thing to do is COUNTER ATTACK.
By taking a few more shots to the body, you make your opponent confident and will keep hitting downstairs.
The lower the opponent strikes, the lower his hands. Once you've taken one or two more body shots, surpise him with an explosive upstairs punch. From there on the tables should turn.

Getting kicked in the ribs
Like I said, don't drop your hands down to protect your body. You get rid of the worst of two evils by keeping your hands up.
Once again, the best advice for defending a kick to the body is by your footwork. Be swift and move around so the opponent can miss or get a weak kick on you.

If your in a situation where the opponent is pressing on you very well, the best advice is to take a kick ot two to get the feeling of the opponent.
Always keep in mind IF THE OPPONENT KICKS ONCE, EXPECT A FEW MORE.

There are two react to a kick to the body.
1. Ignore the kick and take it while you charge foward to counter punch.
2. Grab the leg and take the mofo down.

If the opponent you fight happens to be a grappler, don't lift your leg up to protect your body because:
1. Theres a chance its just a set up for a takedown
2. It won't be all that powerful anyways >:]

I wouldn't recommending clinching, because it can sometimes get real ugly.

IronMan 10-08-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferdelance
How do you defend against
a) an elbow strike?

Because elbows are a short strike, the easiest way is to step back and counter with a punch. I assume you are talking about standing, so it's really not very hard.

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b)a knee kick?
Again, get out of the way. Usually you will have to step away, which makes this really hard to counter.

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c)the ever popular punch or knee to the ribs?
You will probably have to block this by dropping your hands, but the method that I have seen used alot in professional boxing is to take the body shot and return with a punch to the head.

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d)a hook to the head, like a left hook or a right hook to the head?
Duck under it and return with an uppercut or a jab.

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e) a spinning back kick to the head?
Just move a little bit to one side and counter by kicking out the leg which they have entrusted all of their weight to.

BlondBlomber 10-08-2006 05:29 PM

well, although i agree with the solutions posted. When I was in boxing we were taught never to drop our hands away from protecting our head. I was taught to be very tight in the sense of proteceting, so the my arms were tucked in to my stomach, like hands up by the face and elbows tucked into the stomach. and when your tight like that it's easy to throw an uppercut. This being in like a clinch situation, or like cornered on the ropes. otherwise be loose and relax.

Deadly Poet 10-09-2006 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentFury
I guess i'll be useful to the forums and contribute some advice to letter C, getting strikes to the ribs.

Getting punched in the ribs
One thing you must ALWAYS keep in mind is to NEVER EVER drop your hands to protect your body. Its like leaving gold for junk, you keep yourself wide open and fall into your opponents trap.
Since this is isn't clinch fighting, the best advance is to circle around and avoid the body strikes.

If your in a situation where you can't back up or circle around to dodge the body attacks, the best advace is to man up and a take a few shots for a bit.
I say this because:
1. You lure him into your trap
2. The opponent will get cocky and will be consistant with the body attacks.

Every attack has a loop hole, meaning anytime you attack..you leave an opening.
In the case of being cornered, the best thing to do is COUNTER ATTACK.
By taking a few more shots to the body, you make your opponent confident and will keep hitting downstairs.
The lower the opponent strikes, the lower his hands. Once you've taken one or two more body shots, surpise him with an explosive upstairs punch. From there on the tables should turn.

Getting kicked in the ribs
Like I said, don't drop your hands down to protect your body. You get rid of the worst of two evils by keeping your hands up.
Once again, the best advice for defending a kick to the body is by your footwork. Be swift and move around so the opponent can miss or get a weak kick on you.

If your in a situation where the opponent is pressing on you very well, the best advice is to take a kick ot two to get the feeling of the opponent.
Always keep in mind IF THE OPPONENT KICKS ONCE, EXPECT A FEW MORE.

There are two react to a kick to the body.
1. Ignore the kick and take it while you charge foward to counter punch.
2. Grab the leg and take the mofo down.

If the opponent you fight happens to be a grappler, don't lift your leg up to protect your body because:
1. Theres a chance its just a set up for a takedown
2. It won't be all that powerful anyways >:]

I wouldn't recommending clinching, because it can sometimes get real ugly.

that sounds great...but if ur facing a good body puncher u wont be able to take to many shots (sometimes one is all thats needed)...

Droping one of ur hands is not that bad...look at Hops, PBF, Archie Moore and Toney they all drop one hand to protect the body while using angles and the other to protect the head. If u dont like that u should use ur elbows with a bit of movement to be able to block the shot. But taking the shot should be the last thing u want to do. And taking a kick to the ribs...well did u see Wandys ribs after the Cro Cop fight? Unless ur used to fighting with bruised ribs I would suggest to cover...

One way I like to defend them is to cover the whole area (ribs and head) of one side of the body. By doing that u just need to distinguish if its comming tru ur right side or left side and cover.

Learn to roll with punches and give angles when u get corner...and like u said counter immediately...

Ferdelance 10-15-2006 12:30 AM

How Do You Defend Against...?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadly Poet
that sounds great...but if ur facing a good body puncher u wont be able to take to many shots (sometimes one is all thats needed)...

Droping one of ur hands is not that bad...look at Hops, PBF, Archie Moore and Toney they all drop one hand to protect the body while using angles and the other to protect the head. If u dont like that u should use ur elbows with a bit of movement to be able to block the shot. But taking the shot should be the last thing u want to do. And taking a kick to the ribs...well did u see Wandys ribs after the Cro Cop fight? Unless ur used to fighting with bruised ribs I would suggest to cover...

One way I like to defend them is to cover the whole area (ribs and head) of one side of the body. By doing that u just need to distinguish if its comming tru ur right side or left side and cover.

Learn to roll with punches and give angles when u get corner...and like u said counter immediately...

I tend to agree with this more. My gut level feeling is to disagree with people who say "take a shot to the body."
After all: Isn't that how Houdini was killed? Also, don't they teach, in a number of different schools ,that if a shot to the body results in damage to the spleen, or a lung being punctured by a broken rib, then you've got some serious problems!
yes?
No?
Thanx everyone,though,for your feedback.
Ferdelance. and yes, i admit: i do have a lot to learn.
Who doesn't?

Onganju 11-10-2006 02:29 AM

Basic Striking Defense Theorem
 
As requested by the OP, it is very common that posts within this section of the Forum tend to be of the “Offensive-mindset.” But what of those times where one is on the defensive side of the Stand up battle? While it is true that the “best defense is a great offense” in most accounts, one cannot expect that the live, resisting and trained opponent in front of them will willingly allow them to attack unabated and uninterrupted. The most competitive fights are always between two trained opponent’s steeped in the proverbial “human chess match;” wherein the participants take turns imposing their wills upon one another. This in turn continues until one hits that critical attack, or reversal, or hooks that critical hold that brings upon the end of the match. It is in those moments that fighters usually figure out why they fight. As taken many times from Chuck Palahniuk’s novel “Fight Club,” it is when you’re fighting that you feel most alive. “When it’s on… It’s on… And nothing else matters.

But I digress… I’m not here to provide reviews on literature that I haven’t fully read. I am here to talk about defense. The reason why defense is a key component to fighting can be summarized very succinctly:

If you have dynamite in each fist, or swing kicks that mow down humanity like the reaper's blade, it will not matter in a fight if you are struck down first by your opponent.

Likewise, if you are carrying on through a fight where you are taking two for every one shot you throw, you are most likely (unless you are grossly more powerful or tougher in comparison to your opponent) going to lose that fight. Let’s face it: It is unrealistic to expect to fight against trained opponents never to find out what it is like to get hit. MMA is a sport/competition based in reality. Unlike the movies, none of the competitors in MMA prescribe to the “Black Ninja” school of Martial Arts. If you choose to get into a fight, you can expect to get hit.

Just as Sugar Ray Leonard would say, “Fighters get hit. Good fighters don’t get hit as much.” As plain as that is, its merit in truth cannot be denied. In that end, what seems as a given in the eyes of many seems to go understated by many MMA competitors and Fans. I would think that many fighters would like to train their defensive acumen and fall into the “Good fighter” category.

Before I get too far, let me state that I do not prescribe to the “tough guy” mentality of taking one and returning in kind. Why test your chin when it will lend itself better to test the chin of your opponent? If you take that into perspective, testing your chin and losing in the ring can be bad. However, testing your chin and losing in a self-defense situation on the street can be fatal. It is bad enough to lose in a match, at least you can gain experience and return better trained and prepared. However, the world outside the ring or cage tends to be a lot less forgiving. That is why I think it is worth while to post in this thread.

Before I get too preachy, let’s get into the basic methods of stand-up/striking defense. I will not get into specific techniques at this time, but rather let me state what I’ve found through research and application as to what works. For the sake of those who have not had any training in striking arts, I will keep everything as simple as possible.

In the training of defense, it is found that training defensive techniques with the fewest steps work best and are the most reliable. Many striking schools may teach multi-step defensive techniques that might possibly be effective in an actual fight. However, I don’t prescribe to them because of two reasons: 1) What if the fighter doesn’t attack exactly as the technique describes? 2) In stressful situations, you cannot reliably expect that longer, drawn-out technique sequences will be recognized by the fighter trying to utilize it. On that end the techniques that I will post here follow a very simple, 1-2, “Defend and then counter” pattern. These are the easiest to learn, and usually the easiest to utilize. Besides, why wait for the 5th or 6th punch or kick thrown by your opponent when you can stop them after (or even before) the first attack is thrown?

All defensive technique should be followed with a counter attack. If you are against an aggressive opponent, or any opponent who is trying to win, you cannot realistically expect them to finish their attack and politely allow you your own salvo afterwards. With an aggressive opponent, they will simply continue to attack until they are stopped or they have completely overwhelmed and finished you. So every defense should be followed with a counter.

In my research, Striking defense can be broken down into four (4) different types of techniques. This is what they are, and this is how they differ:

Interrupt/Faster/Pre-Emptive Attack: This is simply hitting the opponent with a faster attack while they are in the midst of attacking you. This can be a straight punch as your opponent winds up their overhand right, a pushing kick as your opponent chambers their own kick, or a knee to the opponent’s head as they try to shoot. This is the “Intercepting fist” of Jeet Kune Do. In this method, you strike the opponent when you first recognize that they are attacking. In this method, the counter attack is already included as it occurs at the moment of defense.

Dodging/Evasion: As Mr. Miyagi would say, “Best defense… You no be there!” This requires trained body movement (both upper body and foot work) to stymie your opponent’s attack by causing it to miss. Now, this is not any intricate or acrobatic type movement. Nope, no Matrix bridges here. Rather these are economic movements that will cause your opponents to miss while you move into a position to attack them while they are out of position to defend. Ducking, slipping, side-stepping, back-pedaling and retreating all fall into this type of defense.

Deflect/Catch: Not a true block, but a simple push, pull or cutting into the strike angle of the attacking limb while moving into an angle that gives you an advantage for countering with strikes. Likewise, catching the limb of the attacker in order to control them as you counter with a strike or grapple also falls into this category of defense. This method of defense is usually the hardest to master, but can make a competitor dangerous to aggressive opponents. By using the energy of an opponent’s attack to pull them into position for a counter, or to create an opening for attack, more effective counter attacks can be made.

Cover Up/Blocking: Many times attacks can be so sudden, or occur in such close quarters that dodging or catching them are not possible. In that case, one may only be able to defend themselves by bring up a barrier to block the attack. This may be your arm, your legs, your shoulders, knees or elbows. As long at the attacking limb does not effectively hit a vital point, the block goes a long way to mitigate the force of your opponent’s attacks. This is the simplest type of defense to learn, as it is the most instinctive. However, as a rule one should always implement the other defensive methods first. With a block, you always end up absorbing the brunt of your opponent’s attack which can result in cumulative damage to your fighting limbs.

With that in mind, I’ll post up your standard punch defense in my next post. Hopefully that won’t be too long in coming.

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