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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-17-2008, 11:33 AM Thread Starter
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In the sprawl, why not an elbow to the back

of the opponent trying for the take down. Is it illegal or is there another problem? Noobie question.
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of the opponent trying for the take down. Is it illegal or is there another problem? Noobie question.
you mean like the point down onto the back?
because thats illegal
people throw punches to the side a lot but you really need the level change and get underhooks to stop the takedown

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Great response, if the guy shooting gets in deep make your hips really heavy, and slide in underhooks. From there the guy shooting has to use a lot more energy then you do to improve his position.

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Great response, if the guy shooting gets in deep makes your hips really heavy, and slide in underhooks. From there the guy shooting has to use a lot more energy then you do to improve his position.
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I'm pretty sure elbowing to the 'back' is legal. Not the back of the head. I've feel like I've seen people do it I just inconveniently can't think of any particular fight. Ya, so people do it, and it hurts, but like others have said they just would rather focus on td defense and possibly get their back rather than hitting it with body shots that honestly won't stop the fight.

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If you raise up your elbow to strike down on the back of someone attempting to take you down that takedown would be much easier, depending on how comfortable you are on your back its probably smarter to just stick with takedown defense. The reasons elbows to the back of the head are illegal has something to do with messing up your spine I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong) so I think elbows down on the back could be illegal because you could f*ck someones spine up royally if you hit it enough. I would just sprawl hard and hook em and drive... But- to each his own.

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Yeah, dropping elbows on the back is illegal. Strikes to the spine are illegal and this move also would fall prey to the highly interpretive ruling of legal elbow strikes in the UFC.

As far as street viability, probably a long shot as timing that shot before you are on your back would be tricky. I would recommend just training the sprawl so that is locked into your muscle memory. That is the legal move for competition and the safe move for self-defense.
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elbows, punches etc is all secondary when your "sprawling". You need to be getting your underhooks in, controlling his head, and sprawling before you start punching or elbowing or your gonna end up on your back =)

plus its illegal

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For MMA training, elbows to the "back" of an opponent would only leave the spine and kidneys as viable targets. I know for sure that attacks to the spine, base of the spine/back of the head are definitely illegal so it isn't a readily viable tactic in an MMA fight. Also, as noted above, it would be better to work on setting underhooks when sprawling first. Not only is it a base detail that makes a world of difference to TD defense, it leaves you in a safer position if you can't readily put a full stop to a TD. At the very least you will end up in a neutral position.

For self defense purposes, it is very easy to train dropping an elbow when you sprawl. The same goes for kneeing the back of someone's head when they are fully caught under you if sprawl well enough. In the clip below, Jimmy Smith (pro MMA fighter) of the show "Fight Quest" is sparring with some Kajukenbo practitioners. He gets stopped by the last guy he goes up against do to an elbow to the spine. Granted the guy has a lot of height and weight on him, but it goes to prove that it is a viable self defense technique.

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when someone shoots on you in a fight or training etc hte first thing you need to do is sprawl...I wouldnt worry about punching until you have either gotten up or sprawled well enough and your on top of the guy

defend the takedown first off

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