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Old 10-26-2006, 09:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Standing ArmBar

I took Taekwondo for a good 9 years (3-4 days a week) and earned my 2nd degree black belt just before the dojo closed down due to an expired lease and the owners couldn't keep up with the rent. My instructor incorporated A LOT of Akido in his lessons. I really loved the Akido, it was a lot of fun. If you can excel in Akido, you can win almost any fight. The problem with Akido is that it deals mostly with joint manipulation, and I'm pretty sure some of it is not allowed in the UFC. They have a rule against "small joint manipulation" which I'm assuming means fingers and maybe even wrists. But I don't see why the armbars and throws I learned would be not allowed. Anyway, on with how to do a standing armbar the way I know how.


Now the standing armbar can usually only be done when someone is punching you. The only way you can fail at not tapping someone out with this move, is if your opponent is significantly larger than you, significantly stronger than you, or is extremely tough, or is extremely agressive and relentless with his attack. We will assume that the opponent is punching with his right hand.

Step 1.) When the (right hand remember) punch is about halfway to you, the first thing to do is get ready to block. Take your left arm and hit the inside of your opponents right arm hard enough to almost deflect it. (Basically a strong backfist) A good thing to do is punch to the face at the same time with your other hand to throw them off a bit.

Step 2.) After the punch has been deflected, do not pull your blocking (left) hand back yet. After you actually hit your opponents arm, you want to follow through and make a big "C" shape. Always making sure that you're bringing his arm around THE OUTSIDE of your body. In other words, if you're using your left hand, you will be moving your opponents arm counterclockwise, and if you're using your right hand, then it will be clockwise. Either way it's ALWAYS around the OUTSIDE of your body. Follow through with the backfist, and at the same time open your hand to grab the forearm or bicept of your opponent. As you are moving your hand with his arm, you want to bring it outside on the left hand side of your body and just basically make a big "C" with your and your opponents arm.

Step 3.) While you are bringing the arm around the outside of your body, slide your left hand that is holding the bicep/forearm down to the wrist. By the time you are finished making the "C" shape, your opponents arm should be close to your waist, with you having a firm grasp on his wrist, and his arm should be twisted upside down and depending on the size difference, his elbow is bent the opposite direction similar to a kimura.

Step 4.) Don't let go. After your arms are down near your waist, you are going to finish the motion by bringing your opponents arm back up. So the "C" shape has now become just a big circle. BUT, when the arms are down near your waist, this is when you want to begin to spin around, with your pivot foot being the same side foot that you have a hold of the arm with (left). It also helps to keep your knees bent while doing this for better leverage.

Step 5.) You should now be on your way back around the "O". By the time your opponents arm is back at eye level, it should be completely upside down, and you should be facing the opposite direction as him. With his wrist still firmly grasped with your left hand, you're gonna place his arm on your left shoulder. Make sure his elbow is on your shoulder. Your knees should still be bent a little, and you can now grab his wrist with your other hand, and use both hand to slowly pull down his arm towards the floor. When you want them to tap, slowly raise up since your knees should still be bent, you are sort of squating. The higher you raise, and the more you pull down on his arm, the worse it's going to hurt for your opponent.

This may sound complicated but it's actually quite simple and extremely effective. I can do it all in one motion and it only takes like a second and a half from start to finish. I don't understand why people in MMA don't use this armbar, it was always successful for me, and I've done it to hundreds of people of all sizes. I'll try to find a video later and maybe that could help explain it better than what I did. Once you master it, it will become your favorite technique. It's not for everyone though. I have EXTREMELY fast reflexes, (thanks to my training in Akido and TKD) so for me it's not too hard to catch a punch that is halfway to my face. Like I said, if your opponent is relentless in his attack, then obviously this move won't work, because as soon as you grab the arm, you're gonna get rocked with a punch from his other hand. What makes this move a lot easier, is punching to the body and face immediately after you grab the arm. This way he gets loosened up and distracted, and will have a much harder time fighting it. Another thing to remember, is if your opponent is expecting you to do this move for whatever reason, it is pretty easy to defend if your opponent is stronger than you. That's why I said it's best when done fast, and it's best if you loosen your opponent up with a quick jab to the face or body immediately after you catch his punch.
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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After reading it I was extremely confused, but then I read over it again carefully and my dad came up to say hi, fool. I tested it on him, works brilliantly. Also I can see this working really well in a more self defence type situation, the person punches and once you've caught it and twisted, instead of raising slowly and pulling down to create pressure, jump and yank. break his elbow and you've got yourself a pretty crippled assailant. Thanks. great for mma AND self defence.

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After reading it I was extremely confused, but then I read over it again carefully and my dad came up to say hi, fool. I tested it on him, works brilliantly. Also I can see this working really well in a more self defence type situation, the person punches and once you've caught it and twisted, instead of raising slowly and pulling down to create pressure, jump and yank. break his elbow and you've got yourself a pretty crippled assailant. Thanks. great for mma AND self defence.

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Good deal! Yea I learned this in a self defense martial arts class so that's why it is good for self defense too hahaha.

Another cool thing about it, is you can change it into a judo shoulder throw if you want, simply by doing this:

After you do the spin, don't place his arm on your shoulder like I said. Just take his arm by the wrist with both your hands, shove your ass up against his lower midsection (similar to a basic hip throw if you know what that is), with your ass up against his jewels your knees should be bent pretty well, then just take his arm and just throw him, using your knees and the hip throw concept. He will flip completely over your shoulder with ease if you do it right, and hit the ground really hard. Then, if you still gotta hold of his arm like you should, you can stick your foot down under his armpit and just take his arm and manipulate the **** out of it!
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lol, although a good idea which makes a lot of sense I'd maintain it as an arm bar for the simple reason he aint gunna tap from a throw. BUT throwing him would solve the problem of over aggression which you mentioned in your first post.
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lol, although a good idea which makes a lot of sense I'd maintain it as an arm bar for the simple reason he aint gunna tap from a throw. BUT throwing him would solve the problem of over aggression which you mentioned in your first post.

Yea I'm just saying some people like the throws, it's just a good last minute choice in case something goes wrong with the armbar. And like I said, if you do it right you can have some fun while they're on the ground by locking his shoulder in place and twist the hell outta that arm or bend it backwards or stomp his face haha whatever you want cuz if he moves, you just go ahead and break his arm or wrist haha.
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okay i get you now. I like the idea of using it if he slips the bar or something.
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"The only way you can fail at not tapping someone out with this move, is if your opponent is significantly larger than you, significantly stronger than you, or is extremely tough, or is extremely agressive and relentless with his attack"

then **** your move
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"The only way you can fail at not tapping someone out with this move, is if your opponent is significantly larger than you, significantly stronger than you, or is extremely tough, or is extremely agressive and relentless with his attack"

then **** your move
WTF...**** you asshole I'm talking about if you're like 135 pounds it would be hard to do this move to someone who is 6'10" 330 pounds and high on coke.
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Good point.

I don't think that your whole thing about being bigger, stronger and tougher is entirely true. I also have Aikido training, at least a little bit, and falling out of this technique and into a reversal, but that's true for most Aikido techniques.

This looks a little bit like an adapted version of Ikkyo, with a little bit of advanced extensions built to cause pain. Very good stuff, but against a real and aware martial artist the chances of it working are only ok.

Keep up the good stuff, definitely repped.
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Good point.

I don't think that your whole thing about being bigger, stronger and tougher is entirely true. I also have Aikido training, at least a little bit, and falling out of this technique and into a reversal, but that's true for most Aikido techniques.

This looks a little bit like an adapted version of Ikkyo, with a little bit of advanced extensions built to cause pain. Very good stuff, but against a real and aware martial artist the chances of it working are only ok.

Keep up the good stuff, definitely repped.
Yea, like I said if your opponent expects it, you're not gonna pull it off. This move is best at the very beginning of an MMA fight, or just to end a street fight instantly without getting hit. I agree with your first statement, for instance, I can do it to bigger guys, but that's because I have been doing it for half my life. The people viewing this thread would have toruble doing it to a big strong guy because most have no prior training. Practice makes perfect, I took my instructor down many times and he is at least twice my size.
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