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Old 03-07-2007, 01:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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rear chokes are a great knockout technique, especially if the guy hasn't got game....it's relatively easy to apply if you've trained it and won't do permanent damage

I put it on a bigger guy (about 250 lbs) and it was simple.... he threw a haymaker, I slipped in under it, got behind him and 10 secs later he was sleeping
Although it worked for you I wouldn't recomend trying it as any fighter with minimal skill could evade someone taking their back standing up and you will more likely take massive damage trying for it if that is your focus. If it presents itself sure for every wild haymaker there is a good combo puncher out there that will catch you trying to take the back. Besides in a street fight it isn't hard to reach down and grab the balls of the person who has your back or choke applied. sure it took 10sec but that could be the last time you have working balls. that is my 2 cents
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Old 03-08-2007, 04:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Hey AdRath,

I see your 2 cents and raise you 2!

I hear what you say, but I don't agree fully. You're right in saying you shouldn't be too focused on specific moves or techniques as such, but taking someone's back who hasn't got game is pretty simple, especially if it goes to the ground. If you sink your hooks in, and trap one or both his arms, no way he's gonna go anywhere near your nuts and besides if the choke is properly applied, I can promise you he'll be too busy trying to stay concious to think about grabbing anything, the choke just works too quickly.

If it stays upright, and you've applied it properly, there is also no way he should be able to grab your crotch. I know things happen very fast iin a street situation, but that's why you spar - so get the choke applied and crank him back and down...stick your butt out, bending as low in your back as you can, and if he's really tryting to grab you (which 9 out of 10 won't, they'll be too busy looking at the pretty flashing lights and tweety birds) you start banging knees into his coccyx, his buttocks or the back of his legs...that'll destroy his base and chances are he'll fall back ino you or just sag/collapse...then crank the choke again.

I'm not saying I'll always use these techniques, but they do work very well in a street situation...besides, I'd rather clinch or grapple with an unknown opponent than trade punches...one lucky shot lands and even the best fighter can get knocked out.

You can tell within the first shove or punch whether the guy knows his stuff or not, so sure, if the guys a total bum you can stand up with him and give him a boxing lesson, but why take the risk?'Lastly, the choke is a 'non-lethal' submission, you never know how badly you could hurt someone with knees, fists or elbows, and you don't wanna land up in trouble because some drunk asshole started a fight.
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Old 03-08-2007, 10:33 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Hey AdRath,

I see your 2 cents and raise you 2!

I hear what you say, but I don't agree fully. You're right in saying you shouldn't be too focused on specific moves or techniques as such, but taking someone's back who hasn't got game is pretty simple, especially if it goes to the ground. If you sink your hooks in, and trap one or both his arms, no way he's gonna go anywhere near your nuts and besides if the choke is properly applied, I can promise you he'll be too busy trying to stay concious to think about grabbing anything, the choke just works too quickly.

If it stays upright, and you've applied it properly, there is also no way he should be able to grab your crotch. I know things happen very fast iin a street situation, but that's why you spar - so get the choke applied and crank him back and down...stick your butt out, bending as low in your back as you can, and if he's really tryting to grab you (which 9 out of 10 won't, they'll be too busy looking at the pretty flashing lights and tweety birds) you start banging knees into his coccyx, his buttocks or the back of his legs...that'll destroy his base and chances are he'll fall back ino you or just sag/collapse...then crank the choke again.

I'm not saying I'll always use these techniques, but they do work very well in a street situation...besides, I'd rather clinch or grapple with an unknown opponent than trade punches...one lucky shot lands and even the best fighter can get knocked out.

You can tell within the first shove or punch whether the guy knows his stuff or not, so sure, if the guys a total bum you can stand up with him and give him a boxing lesson, but why take the risk?'Lastly, the choke is a 'non-lethal' submission, you never know how badly you could hurt someone with knees, fists or elbows, and you don't wanna land up in trouble because some drunk asshole started a fight.
Very true about the nut grab if you are of similar height. I kinda assumed with the 250lbs that the guy might have been much taller hence the nut grab comment. As far as street fighting goes I personally don't take it to the ground often because my standup is much much better but I have had a buddy get into a fight (I wasn't there to see it) but he took the guy to the ground and the guys friends started throwing boots into him and get got messed up bad. I guess every situation requires a different action depending on what is going on.
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Yea that's one drawback to grappling..is one on one. If yhe's got mates and you dont the last place you wanna go is the ground!

I also prefer standup, when you got 2 or 3 guys wanting to play it starts to get interesting!
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Its all well and good being able to put someone to sleep, but in the situation the guy described it would be impossible. Its all well and good in an octagon or when one guy is trying to mug you, but I've never ever seen a situation where there is just one guy without his friends. If you try get a guy in a choke when all his friends(ie. a gang) are there, you're going down. My advice is: poke the eyes, kick the nutz then grab something to smash him over the head with.
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As i stated previously, you don't want to go to the ground or clinch in a 1-on-3 or 1-on-4 situation, that's just logical. Dunno where you've been or what you do, but I have seen and/or been involved in many confrontational incidents which are one on one, probably as many as when there were more than one guy involved, and each and every one of them was unique and required a unique approach (probably only 15, maybe 20% of the time is a physical attack required, by the way - unless you're a gung-ho, I-wanna-fight wannabe tough guy) This is why thinking fighters like Randy do so well, they're always adapting their game to the situation.

As for eyes and nuts - this whole "Only Because Of A Military Legal Loophole Can I Reveal The Terrifying 'Decide-Dominate-And-Destroy'
Shocking Street Fighting Secret Banned By Congress That Can Transform ANY MAN (Into A Walking, Breathing Weapon Of Mass Destruction." type bullshit is utter rubbish. Every single fight I've seen where a guy has tried to kick the nuts it turned real nasy becuase, you're just gonna really piss the guy off. Same with the eye gouge. They're not close to effective enough to stop someone dead, it just doesn't do enough damage, with a miniscule chance that you actually connect really hard. I took one in the nuts once and didn't even feel it until half an hour later, was just too pumped. Don't believe everything you see in the movies.....
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Old 03-09-2007, 08:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
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But in a situation where your or someone you care abouts life is at stake, would you really be that bothered about how pissed the other guy gets at you trying to hurt him? Hell no. Fight as dirty as you can and don't listen to all these people saying use kicks to knock people out. Unless you are very well versed in kicking its the last thing you want to do. The last thing you want in a street fight is to lose your balance.
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I think you guys are argueing 2 different fight situations. Sure in a life threatening situation like a mugging something like that I'll grab the pen in my pocket and stab the guy with it but in a bar fight the moment you pick up a bottle and escalate the situation to assault with a weapon isn't good. The same people that attack are more than willing to see you in jail.
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I'm onlt going on the situation that the guy gave an example of.....
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