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post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 07-16-2009, 10:55 PM
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1. Everybody is different and thus affected differently.
2. The brain floats and when it hits the skull like in some whiplashing clinch techniques it causes what is known as "flash" or "flash over" when u see a flash and are dazed. Usually happens when you get rocked but not KO'd.
3. TMJ (temporomandibular joint)... The movement of the lower jaw or "Mandible" back and upward causing the KO also known as getting hit on the "button" - see also: Dan Henderson vs Mike Bisping for reference.

Neck strength could help to keep from getting flashed in the clinch but it wont help the TMJ
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post #32 of 36 (permalink) Old 12-21-2009, 10:05 PM
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Its not a matter of head size. And in point of fact stronger neck muscles, halting the motion of your head would make it more likely you'd be knocked out. Think about Newton's laws. Your brain is not screwed in place inside your head. There's some giving room. Which means that as your head moves with yor brain, it bounces around within your head less and thus causes less trauma to the brain. But if you lock your neck and don't allow any motion, all of the kinetic energy that would have bled off as your head spun would be translated right into your brain.

Having an iron chin is more the ability to come back from a reeling punch or kick rapidly. If you get tagged and stumble around for even a moment, its over. Especially if you drop. And that's really not something you can train for. Its more of a genetic chance.

The area of impact also has a significant importance. Getting cracked on the jaw hurts and spins the head heavily, generating alot of kinetic energy. A shot to the temple immediately makes the pupils dialate, causing disorientation. Anywhere in between can cause serious trauma to the skull itself but doesn't jar the brain as much as the two afore mentioned regions.
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Squirrelfighter, one crucial point of your argument makes no sense... theoretically, if you locked your muscles so your head did not spin at all and you were completely rigid, then your brain would be completely protected. In this case the force of the strike would cause your flesh and bones to take the impact.

In reality, the reflex is to roll with a connected punch, nobody is going to stand rigid and take punches to the face. The point is to have enough neck muscle to control the acceleration of your head, as long as you accelerate 'slowly' then your brain wont sustain substantial impact. Like in a car, you can be traveling at speeds of over 100km/h for example, but if a car seat came flying at you and accelerated you from 0-100 almost instantly, you die, accelerate gradually, you ride.
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Squirrelfighter, one crucial point of your argument makes no sense... theoretically, if you locked your muscles so your head did not spin at all and you were completely rigid, then your brain would be completely protected. In this case the force of the strike would cause your flesh and bones to take the impact.

In reality, the reflex is to roll with a connected punch, nobody is going to stand rigid and take punches to the face. The point is to have enough neck muscle to control the acceleration of your head, as long as you accelerate 'slowly' then your brain wont sustain substantial impact. Like in a car, you can be traveling at speeds of over 100km/h for example, but if a car seat came flying at you and accelerated you from 0-100 almost instantly, you die, accelerate gradually, you ride.
I see what you mean. Neck strength does come into play. But I know from personal experience that locking your neck really boggles the brain when you get tagged. Although it is rare that someone can lock and just not move, doing so does probably overextend the muscles so I tend to agree with your rapid is death gradual is riding though processes.

So I would guess its a matter of control of muscular movement rather than a lack of movemnt or uncontrolld movement. Though I'd rather move uncontrolled and risk whiplash then let my gray-matter bounce around.
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There is no way to tell if you can take a punch other than to eat a couple through training and sparing or through fighting. I can eat a lot of punishment, im 5'10" and weigh 75kg so im not big, my neck isnt overly muscular. U ouldnt imagine i can take a hit. But to the contrary i have never been knocked out in an mma fight or in a mauy thai fight. The only time i have is when i crashed my dirt bike and split my helmet just about in 2.
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Kind of hard to say. In theory a bigger head and/or neck ought to be better, but it's no garuntee. I mean look at someone like Bob Sapp, his neck is bigger than my car, but when he gets hit hard he curls up in the fetal position and starts crying. Patrick Cote on the other hand, looks like a perfectly ordinary guy, but you could hit him 14 times with a two by four while he is asleep and he would wake up and kick your ass. I think a lot of it is just genetic/willpower.
lol bob sapp is a HUGE guy i love watching his huge self fight xD

personally the whole knockout thing for me isn't just from one punch most of the time. if you have a weak neck and your head turns or goes back alot its an extra second that they have to throw a punch before you get to see it. Having a strong neck is key in more ways than just with striking. Alot of it is tolerance for pain and how quickly you recover. i dont really think it matters how big your head is haha that sounds kind of silly
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