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Old 06-03-2009, 03:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hey we did sparring yesterday in mma. I did body shots because i just joined and they want to take it easy on me. But i have been training at home and took karate for 3 months. So yeah i got some experience of course not as good as the guys that been there for like 2 years. so the rules were you can kick to legs and body, punch to body, and no face shots, no front kicks only roundhouse and i think maybe side kicks.

my question is how do you fight when just doing body shots cuz the guy had his hands down blocking his body and face open. It was really hard to get in and throw some punches i mostly did leg kicks but decide to go for a rib kick and hit his elbow with my foot and hurts like a bitch now.

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Do you joined a mma class or a kyokushinkai class? Because no face shots is kyo. No gloves also?
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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its mma the reason no face shots was because im new there been only there for like a week an a half.
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Training only body shots (even if you are new) teaches bad habits like keeping your hands low. My first recommendation would be to find a new gym. My second recommendation would be to throw on the head gear, mouthpiece, the big gloves, and ask that they pull their shots a bit since you are new.
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Training only body shots (even if you are new) teaches bad habits like keeping your hands low. My first recommendation would be to find a new gym. My second recommendation would be to throw on the head gear, mouthpiece, the big gloves, and ask that they pull their shots a bit since you are new.
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i agree to cuz i keep my hands up while the other guy has then down and that reallly pisses me off cuz im taking it serious like in a fight and i cant hit him any where but yeah its the best gym around here that i can find everything else i looked at is to far away. And i have the habit of keeping my hands up which some what exposes my body and i hate doing body shots but thats only when the instructer is there im gonna start sparring more with the guys that go there. their all nice and helpfull. i signed up for over the summer so ill see how it goes.
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I would not spar with no face shots, its puts you in a very bad way should you ever have to fight. Even when I spar I never throw hands to the body, just kicks. I find it way to easy to counter with hooks while im circling out.
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Training only body shots (even if you are new) teaches bad habits like keeping your hands low. My first recommendation would be to find a new gym. My second recommendation would be to throw on the head gear, mouthpiece, the big gloves, and ask that they pull their shots a bit since you are new.
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Fieos! you are a badass, i agree. if i would have seen your post originally i would have saved myself the time of posting in this thread.

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Training only body shots (even if you are new) teaches bad habits like keeping your hands low. My first recommendation would be to find a new gym. My second recommendation would be to throw on the head gear, mouthpiece, the big gloves, and ask that they pull their shots a bit since you are new.
That isn't entirely true, and I think that's a bit premature to tell someone to up and leave right off the bat. I know you're thinking that any practices remotely sounding like they are associated with a TMA equates to "McDojo crap" but that isn't always the case.

Now if all they did was that, sure. But since he's new, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Just because he and his opponent are only going to the body doesn't mean that he can't concentrate on good form. Isolation sparring and drills are meant to teach good form, not just winging to wing it.

I'm pretty sure the TS will end up getting punched in the head pleanty enough times to learn how to cover up and defend with due time. He already indicated that he likes the place and that the other guys are willing to help. That goes a lot farther than having a bunch of meatheads trying to jock their nutsacks on his chin and just blasting him to the dome without an appropriate assessment of his abilities. That applies doubly so regarding that he has some sort of training.
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'll agree on the point that it may be premature for him to pursue another gym. However the most basic and fundamental striking is that you keep your hands up and there should be no exceptions to this rule. Your fighting/competing is a reflection of your training and I'm entirely unsympathetic to counter-productive training methods no matter how well intentioned.

My views are based of years of traditional martial arts; I'm not dismissing the merits of that kind of training and I feel that traditional martial arts teach discipline in ways MMA gyms may not be able to replicate. My chosen avatar reflects my view of the McDojos that have dilluted the tradional arts to the point that I spend an absurd amount of time on this forum defending the viability of Taekwondo in MMA competition because so many of the posters have experience in these buy-a-belt schools and have only experienced a bastardized version of the art. I've spent years as a Taekwondo instructor trying to get martial artist to keep their damn hands up because they joined a Taekwondo school where punching to the head was not allowed! There are literally a million+ Taekwondo students who train 3X a week to keep their hands mid-chest. They are a KO buffet for any competent striker in the world, trained or not. Worse these people are instilled with a false sense of confidence that could potentially put them them in more danger than if they had no formal training at all.

I have a personal zero tolerance policy for people training with their hands down. If the original poster wants to continue with that gym I would at least make the recommendation that the question is asked about concerns of counter-productive training and that it is a very, very short term training method. One thing a lot of 'MMA' and 'TMA' schools do is get cheaper insurance rates by being a 'no' or 'minimal' contact school. Some policies explicitly restrict punching to the the head or demand higher premiums. No school wants to advertise that they teach a dilluted version of an art, especially with MMA so mainstream. If he is potentially at one of these gyms he should find out early and determine if he is training for viability or just for some cardio.
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