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Old 07-28-2009, 09:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Peek-a-boo, can you swarm an opponent with it?

I was just wondering if you could swarm an opponent with a peek-a-boo guard. Well, actually, I hope it isn't asking too much, but more of how you do it, because I am currently thinking about joining The Golden Gloves in the junior division. Also, is it a practical choice in an MMA fight, because I've never seen an MMA fighter that uses the peek-a-boo.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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well i can give a reason why its not great for mma simply the bobing and weaving part leaves you open for knees and if you face a good grappling maybe even a gullotine so i would do as most mma guys and just be a kickboxer
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Old 07-29-2009, 11:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I was just wondering if you could swarm an opponent with a peek-a-boo guard. Well, actually, I hope it isn't asking too much, but more of how you do it, because I am currently thinking about joining The Golden Gloves in the junior division. Also, is it a practical choice in an MMA fight, because I've never seen an MMA fighter that uses the peek-a-boo.
The Peek-a-boo style is tailor made for getting in and fighting on the inside. If you are someone with power and like to throw at a higher output while in close, it is a style that works. Mike Tyson made it work for him quite well throughout his career. The thing that a lot of people forget is that good foot work and the ability to cut the ring is essential for making the peek-a-boo style work. If you can't get close enough, you're just going to benefit from a high and tight guard, nothing else.


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well i can give a reason why its not great for mma simply the bobing and weaving part leaves you open for knees and if you face a good grappling maybe even a gullotine so i would do as most mma guys and just be a kickboxer
That would be completely false. Just like any other standup, if you simply bob and weave without reason and in a predictable manner you will get murdered. The same applies for jabbing, high kicks, and turning kicks which many MMA pundits claimed through hell and high water would NEVER work in a real fight. We now know that just is not the case when you have a skilled fighter using the techniques correctly.

Also, it's only easy to grab a guillotine on someone if they leave their head too high in your armpit for too long. If you are bobbing and weaving, your head isn't staying still or is in the same place for long. I don't see why anyone would bob and weave into your armpits and stay there.

However, you can use the bob and weave to create openings for take downs. Blast someone in their dome from up top, drop down and shoot. It's simple and doesn't take a lot of re-training to learn how to.

To the TS: If you're thinking about Joining the Golden Gloves Junior division, I can probably safely assume you are already in training. Why don't you ask your trainer/coach if the peek-a-boo is something that can work for you? They will probably have much better input than we can give you.
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Traditional boxing guards IMO don't work well in MMA, I mean they can neutralize some blows but I wouldn't depend heavily upon it, footwork IMO is much more important. Peek-a-boo for exmaple you don't have those larger gloves to cover up which is needed. Throw up a peek-a-boo against me with MMA gloves despite your efforts I will guarantee you more than just one of my punches, probably a good amount, will slip past you and connect.
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Traditional boxing guards IMO don't work well in MMA, I mean they can neutralize some blows but I wouldn't depend heavily upon it, footwork IMO is much more important. Peek-a-boo for exmaple you don't have those larger gloves to cover up which is needed. Throw up a peek-a-boo against me with MMA gloves despite your efforts I will guarantee you more than just one of my punches, probably a good amount, will slip past you and connect.
Then you've never boxed a day before in your life if you believe you can just hold up "those larger gloves" and be safe. You do realize they teach more than just blocking in boxing, don't you? Besides that, I never said that it would work by itself. Context man, it helps understand the posts as they are written.
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You understand that with boxing gloves you can protect your face better right? You also understand that using MMA gloves would take this away? Obviously you can't be safe this just holding up boxing gloves, this is a comparison of peek-a-boo in mma and peek-a-boo in boxing. The guard itself.
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Yes... On a counter note, you understand that boxing teaches more than just holding up gloves for defense, right? Read my post in the How Do You Defend Against? thread from this post onward to see a sample of how comprehensive it actually is.

Further, do you understand that the "Peek-a-boo" style relies on more than keeping your hands up by your temples? It is more defined by practitioner's ability to close the distance and get inside by using head movement and footwork more than simply lifting their hands up.

Also, I mentioned context of my post. If you read the TS' initial question he's mentions going into the "Junior Golden Gloves" a boxing competition. In which case, why the hell has everyone else who has posted in this thread been so quick to right this off? Further, I pointed out how the bob and weave, a component of the peek-a-boo style, can actually be used and translate into MMA.

If you want to close the distance or set up a shot, are you just going to walk straight in with your hands wide or at your hips? Hell no. It wouldn't matter if it is MMA, Boxing or Dodgeball, you're going to get hit in the face with that approach. How is holding your gaurd tight and keeping mobile going to negatively effect your striking game?

In fact read my post in the Best takedowns against a good striker (here) and try to intone that I don't know the difference. Any efforts will be indicative of 2 things: 1) You are an elitist who thinks that anything taken outside of the holy realm of "da you-eff-sea" is outdated and garbage. 2) You simply do not have the knowledge or foresight to see where the skillsets apply.

Now forgive me for going off on a tangent, but the excessively exclusive mindset of "MMA or nothing-at-all" is just as disgusting to me as those who claimed that their (insert-rank-and-file-easily-marketed) style of fighting was "unbeatable." Sorry but that would be failing to recognize that the first M in "MMA" stands for Mixed, meaning that it takes components of many different forms or Martial Arts. Now if you agree on that point and you are simply trying to state it doesn't work without some sort of adjustment, I agree with you completely. However, you do not succeed in conveying that idea anywhere at all in either of the above posts.
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Yes... On a counter note, you understand that boxing teaches more than just holding up gloves for defense, right? Read my post in the How Do You Defend Against? thread from this post onward to see a sample of how comprehensive it actually is.

Further, do you understand that the "Peek-a-boo" style relies on more than keeping your hands up by your temples? It is more defined by practitioner's ability to close the distance and get inside by using head movement and footwork more than simply lifting their hands up.

Also, I mentioned context of my post. If you read the TS' initial question he's mentions going into the "Junior Golden Gloves" a boxing competition. In which case, why the hell has everyone else who has posted in this thread been so quick to right this off? Further, I pointed out how the bob and weave, a component of the peek-a-boo style, can actually be used and translate into MMA.

If you want to close the distance or set up a shot, are you just going to walk straight in with your hands wide or at your hips? Hell no. It wouldn't matter if it is MMA, Boxing or Dodgeball, you're going to get hit in the face with that approach. How is holding your gaurd tight and keeping mobile going to negatively effect your striking game?

In fact read my post in the Best takedowns against a good striker (here) and try to intone that I don't know the difference. Any efforts will be indicative of 2 things: 1) You are an elitist who thinks that anything taken outside of the holy realm of "da you-eff-sea" is outdated and garbage. 2) You simply do not have the knowledge or foresight to see where the skillsets apply.

Now forgive me for going off on a tangent, but the excessively exclusive mindset of "MMA or nothing-at-all" is just as disgusting to me as those who claimed that their (insert-rank-and-file-easily-marketed) style of fighting was "unbeatable." Sorry but that would be failing to recognize that the first M in "MMA" stands for Mixed, meaning that it takes components of many different forms or Martial Arts. Now if you agree on that point and you are simply trying to state it doesn't work without some sort of adjustment, I agree with you completely. However, you do not succeed in conveying that idea anywhere at all in either of the above posts.
Yes as I said in my previous post obviously defense is not just holding up your hands. I didn't comment on the boxing portion as like you said the peek-a-boo is designed for in-fighters.

Holding it tight in boxing is not the same as in MMA. There's is less surface area so there will be less protection. Bob and weaving to get in will work to a certain extent if an opponent just wants to stand and trade with you. A good wrestler can close the distance quick with some punches and go into clinch or go for a takedown. Also please don't call me an elitest or a UFC fanboy without knowing because I am a fan of boxing and MMA in GENERAL. I watch the Jap events, spanish events, boxing fights, other US based promotions, etc. Seeing your posts in the provided links it appears you are knowledgeable about martial arts, but I think if the peek-a-boo defense was an effective option for a guard in MMA we would have seen it utilize already, there is always the chance that we haven't seen it yet but I don't think we'll see it used to much success.

Where is my mindset MMA or nothing at all. I chimed in on the MMA part of his question, obviously I will only be talking about MMA as it is obvious that MMA is mixed, that doesn't mean every skill translates. Well then I'll put it plainly. Peek-a-boo as far as I know doesn't work in MMA.

Just stating btw that I am an avid fan of ALL Combat Sports. Most of which are interesting and I wouldn't mind trying. I currently train in MMA, and I am starting pure boxing next week. You seem to be knowledgeable in MA as I said so don't take what I am saying as an "I'm Smarter than you approach."
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Where is my mindset MMA or nothing at all. I chimed in on the MMA part of his question, obviously I will only be talking about MMA as it is obvious that MMA is mixed, that doesn't mean every skill translates. Well then I'll put it plainly. Peek-a-boo as far as I know doesn't work in MMA.

Just stating btw that I am an avid fan of ALL Combat Sports. Most of which are interesting and I wouldn't mind trying. I currently train in MMA, and I am starting pure boxing next week. You seem to be knowledgeable in MA as I said so don't take what I am saying as an "I'm Smarter than you approach."
First part: You do realize they said that about the jab, high kicks, head movement and gogoplatas in regards to MMA at one point also? We know that it isn't the truth now, don't we?

Second point: Good. Hopefully you'll see that it isn't all alien, and that a lot of translates directly. The greatest aspect of boxing isn't learning how to punch. Yeah, I said it. I've said it before, and I'll continue saying it. The greatest aspect of boxing is learning how not to get punched in the head. See what you can pick up and deposit it into your MMA bag. I assure you, you'll be pleasantly suprised.
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First part: You do realize they said that about the jab, high kicks, head movement and gogoplatas in regards to MMA at one point also? We know that it isn't the truth now, don't we?

Second point: Good. Hopefully you'll see that it isn't all alien, and that a lot of translates directly. The greatest aspect of boxing isn't learning how to punch. Yeah, I said it. I've said it before, and I'll continue saying it. The greatest aspect of boxing is learning how not to get punched in the head. See what you can pick up and deposit it into your MMA bag. I assure you, you'll be pleasantly suprised.
Well thinking about I see no reason why a jab, high kick, or gogoplata could be ineffective. So I don't understand why people thought that.

Yeah I know some things will translate well and others won't, like the peek-a-boo I don't think would translate well unless modified in some way a good deal perhaps. Yes I agree, Boxing is the art of "Hitting and not getting hit." Reps btw for good information.
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