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Old 09-27-2009, 05:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Blocking without gloves.

We all know the boxing block with the fist on the jaw. This wont work without gloves. There is no buffer(hand doesnt count) between you and the punch. How do you defend against that? I mean blocking, not head movement. I raise my guard so my forearm protects my whole head.
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There is also a similar adjustment need when blocking with MMA Gloves --during fight time-- opposed to when I block punches in training (using 16 ounce gloves).

I'll block strikes by bringing my arm up higher on my head so that my temple and chin is covered by my forearm,bicep and shoulder. I prefer to use movement, head movement and range to minimize how much I have to actually block things.

Keeping your hands up in general is so important and even if your it's only your hand that blocks a punch, that's much better than eating a clean unblocked shot.

When you block, make sure you come back with a combo to make him pay for making you block his strike.


For example, if you block his right punch, return fire with a right hand,left hook, right hand and if you block his left hook return with a left hook,right hand.

Hope this helps.

Here's a vid of me showing the right hand counter

Wedge Block vs. Right Hand

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Old 09-30-2009, 06:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Does the woman in the video uses the blocking technique you have described?
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We all know the boxing block with the fist on the jaw. This wont work without gloves. There is no buffer(hand doesnt count) between you and the punch. How do you defend against that? I mean blocking, not head movement. I raise my guard so my forearm protects my whole head.
I put out the straight forward "How-to" on defense in this post here. this covers all the standard blocks. Yes, I classify them as boxing covers, but they work just fine in MMA.

A big misconception is that you use your gloves to catch punches with, which just isn't true. You will only use the glove to catch straight punches (see the "Jab catch" in that post), even then it's with the inside of the glove and not with the padded exterior. If you are covering correctly, the punches will be received and dispersed over your forearms, upper arms and shoulders. Taking a strike to the top of your hand will mess your hands and wrists up very quickly, even with the padded gloves. With that in mind, the sturdier (with more solid bone and flesh) parts of the upper arm work better, especially in a longer fight.
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We all know the boxing block with the fist on the jaw.
BTW - this is not a block. It is simply hand placement for one's stance.
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I put out the straight forward "How-to" on defense in this post here. this covers all the standard blocks. Yes, I classify them as boxing covers, but they work just fine in MMA.

A big misconception is that you use your gloves to catch punches with, which just isn't true. You will only use the glove to catch straight punches (see the "Jab catch" in that post), even then it's with the inside of the glove and not with the padded exterior. If you are covering correctly, the punches will be received and dispersed over your forearms, upper arms and shoulders. Taking a strike to the top of your hand will mess your hands and wrists up very quickly, even with the padded gloves. With that in mind, the sturdier (with more solid bone and flesh) parts of the upper arm work better, especially in a longer fight.
Whats the problem with fighting open handed, and actully using your hands and wrists to disrupt the path of a punch?


Wouldn't it be easier just not to get caught up a combo, always staying light on your feet and learning reaction time to move away and counter would be better then stressing out about getting knocked out by a hard hitter?
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Whats the problem with fighting open handed, and actully using your hands and wrists to disrupt the path of a punch?


Wouldn't it be easier just not to get caught up a combo, always staying light on your feet and learning reaction time to move away and counter would be better then stressing out about getting knocked out by a hard hitter?
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Please read what I posted in the link. Here it is again. In fact, I think I cover that thoroughly in that thread as a whole.

But to answer your first question, I believe you actually already know the answer. You see, the problem with blocking in general is that it is better to not get caught in a combo, stay light on your feet and move away to counter than it is to block, whether it be open handed, closed fisted, with your wrist, forearm, shin or shoulder, or by using the referee. The problem with blocking is that you are putting a part of your anatomy in the way as a barrier to receive damage and force instead of your vitals. Even if your aren't hit in a vital spot, you are still receiving and absorbing the force into some part of your body.

What ends up happening is that you end up with accumulative damage to the limbs that you otherwise would be using attacking your opponent. This will end up making you arm/leg weary and take a lot out of you over time. Rocky Marciano was known to beat up his opponents' arms and shoulders if he didn't have a clean shot to their head or body. What ended up happening is that they wouldn't be able to move their arms in the later rounds (whether it be defending or attacking) and he would would have a much easier time fighting (and finishing) them. Charles McCarthy folded underneath the repeated impact and force of the salvo of knees he received to his blocking arms by Michael Bisping in their fight. I can safely contend that the same thing would have happened if he was wearing 16oz sparring gloves.

Now, I stated that the "fist on the jaw" is not a block because it is not. Heck, you can put a 22oz sparring glove on your hands, place them at jaw level and ask anyone with any sort of punching skill to punch you in the glove to see if that works. You will probably find that a great deal of the force will continue on through and instead of it feeling like you are being hit with a club, it will instead feel like a 20lb sack of jelly hitting you in the face. What is worst is if they hit you lower on the glove in the cuff area, it will make your wrist fold inward regardless of the amount of tape you have on. You may not feel it at first (if you aren't hit hard enough), but you will feel it as it accumulates. The same process is much quicker when you have grappling gloves. That's the reason why I mentioned wrists. Now that's only taking into account punching, the same applies even more so for the added force and power of kicks.

But yeah, it is better not to be there instead of blocking. In fact, in the grand spectrum of defensive technique blocking should be your last option. The hierarchy of defensive techniques would probably go something like this:
  • Interrupt/Faster/Pre-Emptive Attack: Hit them first.
  • Dodging/Evasion: Get out of the way.
  • Deflect/Catch: Redirect the attack while moving in to attack.
  • Cover Up/Blocking: This is the last resort. It is taught first because it is the easiest to learn.
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I usually intercept a punch before it gets to my head, deflecting it out of the air with the outside--or inside--of my forearm depending on the kind of punch is thrown at me.

In the event I react too slowly, I turn my torso away from the punch, with my head still straight on and turned slightly down, and lift my forearm up with the tip of my elbow to the opposite side of the punch and position my forearm allong the angle of my head between my chin and temple. Effectively covering my chin, ear, and temple in one movement.

Against roundhouse kicks I use what I learned from my Shaolin Kung Fu training partner, its called the Squirrel Block. You lift the insides of your forearms--the meaty part--and use them, with your arms bent at 90 degrees and locked, to disperse the momentum. If I fail to move quickly enough I use the meat of my tricep with my arm up or down to block depending on the height of the kick.

With straight-snaps/thrusts or side-snaps/thrusts, I try to get out of the way and if I can't, I just try my best to counter the momentum or just deflect the energy to the side.
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