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Old 10-27-2009, 12:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Can somebody bring me up to speed with this?
First of all, what is Zen?
And what is "The Zen Approach to the Martial Arts?"
How will it make me better?
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well what you should do is google search these subjects.

The word Zen means meditation. Zen is a way to enlightment, which focuses on meditation and koans as tools.

The zen approach to martial arts is a vast subject. Lets just say that samurais incorporated zen to their practice because they believed that meditation brought out special qualities needed in combat.

Meditation is a tool to be able to focus better, have better concentration, and be more aware. So maybe you can see the value of these attributes when they are posessed by a martial artist.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Can somebody bring me up to speed with this?
First of all, what is Zen?
And what is "The Zen Approach to the Martial Arts?"
How will it make me better?
zen is meditation and what it will do is dramatically increase you mental concentration. it wont only increase you performance in marital arts but in every aspect of your life. When you finally do achieve that state of an empty mind then you will be able to do things like Luke Cumo on tuff where your bony can be in one place but your mind in another. I have been able to do this a little.

in my next post I will tell you how to meditate and the steps to take.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Do not I repeat Do Not learn this online. the meditations online are dangerous if you dont have a decent amount of concentration. if concentration breaks results could be migraines that last for days among other things. it may not be dangerous for you at this time because you haven't developed chi flow in your body but I wouldn't take a chance.

I have learned it through my teacher when i was taking Pa-Kua. if you want to start meditation here is what you should do it is what I was taught first.

get in a comfortable relaxed position with your hands on your knees and eyes closed. Count backwards from 300 visualized big and bulky numbers each one individually as you count back word. If you can do that visualizing each number without skipping a beat and loosing count then move to 500 then 700.

this may seem dull and boring but the pay off is big and this can be very relaxing.

if you can do that you will then move on to the happiness meditation I will tell u that one once you tell me you can do the counting exercise.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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What you are proposing is not a zen technique. In zen there is no mental activity during meditation. No visualizations like some tibetan systems, no counting...

Samatha and vipassana practice is enough.

Remember, shikantasa means ''just sit''.

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Old 10-30-2009, 03:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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To Ferdelance

A monk by the name of Boddhidarma brought Dyana to China. Arround the year 400, Boddhidrama came from India to China at the Shaolin mountain. What he installed there was called Chan. Then Boddhidarma went to Japan and founded Zen.

So, what Boddhidarma learned in India is called Dyana yoga. That would the the root of Zen.

Now I bet you know about the Shaolin monks right? Well Boddhidarma didn't just bring Dyana to China, he brought martial arts as well. So all the techniques you see from the Shaolin monks, they all originate from Boddhidarma.

When in Japan, Boddhidarma was not just the founder of Zen, he was the founder of martial arts in Asia. When in Japan he founded the budos as well as Zen. (But Dyana actually touched Korea before Japan, over there its called Seon)

Boddhidarma is the patriach of zen and the founder of the budos in Japan. All modern martial arts of Asia trace back to him.

Now ask yourself this, why would a high level meditation expert be also a high level martial artist.

Like I said do some research. Go to a Zen center near you... Read some books.

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What you are proposing is not a zen technique. In zen there is no mental activity during meditation. No visualizations like some tibetan systems, no counting...

Samatha and vipassana practice is enough.
At the end there is no mental activity as you will eventualy aceive an empty mind but you go through the couting exercise to train your mind. You can't expect to just be able to have an empty focused mind. If u want to truely achive the empty state of mind you must take baby steps tword it. If you can't count backword from 300 without being distracted how are going to be able to achive an empty undiserbed mind.
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I'm just saying what you are proposing is not a zen technique... Your pa-kua teacher was not a zen practicionner. Ferdelance is asking about zen...

Counting can be used in meditation yes. But its a beginners practice, and its not zen. Advanced practice is not like that. If you insist to focus your mind on something, do it on your breath. That is done in zen.

Or, repeat a mantra in your mind, or visualize a diety, but those are not from zen either.

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I'm just saying what you are proposing is not a zen technique... Your pa-kua teacher was not a zen practicionner. Ferdelance is asking about zen...

Counting can be used in meditation yes. But its a beginners practice, and its not zen. Advanced practice is not like that. If you insist to focus your mind on something, do it on your breath. That is done in zen.

Or, repeat a mantra in your mind, or visualize a diety, but those are not from zen either.
I know what advance practice is like and yes the counting exercise is not zen I was just trying to give a beginning exercise that is good to do before you start zen.

The meditation I do now is far different than that.
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I prefer the Standing meditation which IS Zen. I am also going to be taught the Golden Buddha Meditation very soon from my instructor. I can tell you from my limited experience that Ninjadude is right on with his information.

Deepak Chopra, when he speaks on meditation always says to "quiet your internal dialouge" which means, let your mind go blank. I have also achieved times where my mind was in another place and my body in a different one. I have had hallucinations, which are considered good, and also involuntary movements, again considered good.
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