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Old 09-27-2007, 01:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When to walk away.

So the other day I was sparring with my cousin. Hes a pretty decent fighter, he stands about 5'9'' at 145lbs. Im st 6'3'' 220lbs and its basically him running from me the whole session with only a handful of shots landing clean and only to the body. Im getting frustrated because we agreed on no headshots, he saw me KO "Beck".

So I decide im going to go practice combinations on the punching dummy. and im listening to my Ipod and this guy taps me on the shoulder. I turn around and there is this giant of a guy behind me. at least 6'6'' 340lbs he asked if I wanted to do a freestyle sparring session, to which I agreed. This is where I made the mistake, instead of getting scared I got excited. So we start out and hes alot slower than me. I throw afew punches and get some really nice shots in. His punches which Im dodging mostly and the rest im blocking. Im getting cocky havent been hit yet and I go in with a fake right kick which I use the turn to throw a huge right hand he basically sweeps my left leg and now i have a 340lbs man on top of me. A very humbling experience, I realize now why I should have joined the wrestling team in high school.

So how much stronger, faster, bigger, more skilled. does an opponent have to be before you wouldnt fight them?

oh and advice for dealing with a big guy on top of you?
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So the other day I was sparring with my cousin. Hes a pretty decent fighter, he stands about 5'9'' at 145lbs. Im st 6'3'' 220lbs and its basically him running from me the whole session with only a handful of shots landing clean and only to the body. Im getting frustrated because we agreed on no headshots, he saw me KO "Beck".

So I decide im going to go practice combinations on the punching dummy. and im listening to my Ipod and this guy taps me on the shoulder. I turn around and there is this giant of a guy behind me. at least 6'6'' 340lbs he asked if I wanted to do a freestyle sparring session, to which I agreed. This is where I made the mistake, instead of getting scared I got excited. So we start out and hes alot slower than me. I throw afew punches and get some really nice shots in. His punches which Im dodging mostly and the rest im blocking. Im getting cocky havent been hit yet and I go in with a fake right kick which I use the turn to throw a huge right hand he basically sweeps my left leg and now i have a 340lbs man on top of me. A very humbling experience, I realize now why I should have joined the wrestling team in high school.

So how much stronger, faster, bigger, more skilled. does an opponent have to be before you wouldnt fight them?

oh and advice for dealing with a big guy on top of you?

Sounds pretty intense dude. I wish I had some advice but Im a fan not a fighter. Im curious to read the replies. Sounds humbling but you seem smart enought to realise it and thats good fighting sense in my opinion.
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No harm in training with someone bigger then you. I wouldn't take a fight with someone more then 30ish lb's above me but I would spar with them no problem. I would learn some wrestling though!
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No harm in training with someone bigger then you. I wouldn't take a fight with someone more then 30ish lb's above me but I would spar with them no problem. I would learn some wrestling though!
Yea, I guess the question I was really trying to ask is "even if I knew wrestling, would it have made a difference? or would sheer size override my ground skills?" or would it turn into dont get taken down by a much larger and stronger opponent?

would wrestling have allowed me to get the upper hand or would it allow me to avoid alot of similar situations?

but yea, ive been wanted to fight someone closer to my size and height although not someone twice my size :P
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Size is a big factor in wrestling. BJJ is where technique overcomes weight and strenght.
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Size is a big factor in wrestling. BJJ is where technique overcomes weight and strenght.

Yea I'd like to train in BJJ/wrestling if I can find a place. Im just super biased to boxing because ive been doing it forever.
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I can't tell you how to deal with a bigger opponent in general, but here's a technique I learned from someone who is much smaller than me. He constantly has to deal with people who outweigh him by over 40 pounds. Please excuse my poor grasp of terminology. If anyone else can describe this better, please help me out.

This is going to be an arm bar. the important part is keeping him in close. You've probably seen the arm bar before.

He'll have to be in your guard for this to work the way I learned it. Wrap your left arm over the top of his right shoulder (is this called an overhook wizzer?). Keep him in tight to avoid strikes. Put your left foot on his right hip, push down and rotate your body as far to his left side as possible while maintaining your overhook. As you rotate, kick your right leg up under his left armpit. The lower part of your leg will be over his back, keeping him in tight. For the finish, throw your left leg over his head and rest it on the left side of his neck. Arch your back for the finish. If you aren't flexible enough to get your leg over while keeping the overhook locked down, let go a little at a time, allowing him to pull his arm out a little at a time until you have enough distance to pop your leg over his head.

I know this is a difficult description to follow, but I can't find a video of this on youtube. I've used it against big, strong opponents and I've had a lot of luck.
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Size is a big factor in wrestling. BJJ is where technique overcomes weight and strenght.
When your opponent outweighs you by over 100lbs, size becomes a factor no matter what you are doing. Technique (whether it be wrestling or BJJ technique) will help, but that's not to say one will have a better or easier time than the other.

To the OP, if it's a "fight" it doesn't matter if a guy is smaller than me (although that's extremely rare considering my physical stature) I'm not big on fighting someone. But if it's sparring, I normally spar with guys who outweigh me by 30 to 60lbs. What I can suggest (because it sounds like you have the stand-up part down well enough) is to try to stay out from underneath the guy as his weight and size will become even more obvious.

The other thing is to avoid being completely flat on your back. When you are working on the ground under the guy, go for small advances in position (BJJ/submission wrestling comes down to a battle of inches) and try to squirm out from underneath by bridging, shrimping, or climbing onto their back by using underhooks. IF (and that's a big if) you get the guy down, their size will be nuetralized in that position. Go to work from there and move at a constant pace (this will get the big guy gassing).

Good luck.
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Yea I'd like to train in BJJ/wrestling if I can find a place. Im just super biased to boxing because ive been doing it forever.
No offense bro but you cant box from your back. If your opponents figure out that your dimensions are pretty narrow your gonna find yourself in the clinch alot. Work on your guard first. Get on your back and get someone on you and train to escape. Do some striking from the guard. Elbows from the bottom are your strongest. Those are strong in the clinch too. The guard is very important in MMA. The worst thing to have happen is to be mounted. So work on different guard positions. The Butterfly guard is best IMO. Thats where you get your feet on the hips. The reason its best is that if your opponent goes for a strike you simply push off and escape. Might even get an upkick lucky shot when you do it. Second is the full guard. Basically your objective here is to get the ref to stand you back up LOL. Third is the Half Guard. Just remember in the half guard to keep moving with your hips away from his free leg. It will keep him off balance and keep him from attempting to pass or mount any GNP. If your fighting in a cage avoid being moved into it or you can get trapped. If you do get moved to the fence try to inch your way up it then use it to stand up or reverse. Work on armbars from the guard. Its hard to do for anyone but if you can develope the technique at least you have an option. From the half guard (say you got his right leg with your left)grab his right wrist and pull him up and to your right. When you feel his leg moving up release you guard and spin your legs up and to your right with him. Now try to wrap your legs around his arm and straighten out rigid as a board. If your want (or you miss) you can try to wrap your legs around his head and arm and go for a triangle. But be careful when you release with one of your hands to cinch up your leg around his head that you keep a firm hold of his arm with the other hand. I hope youve got a great grip because its hard. Good luck.
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I think that your best bet would simply be to start training in some groundwork. I mean, as someone else said, size is a factor no matter what. However, technique can prevail against it.

The biggest disparity in weight I've ever had to deal with was around 120 pounds. While I could not submit the guy, I at least was able to control position. Mind you, he wasn't particularly skilled in groundfighting (nor am I), but technique is the only reason I could do that. if I was completely oblivious to ground stuff, there'd be no way to do it...
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