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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-18-2010, 02:27 PM
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I think that it depends onthe person, not in that some people are naturally pre-dsposed to fighting skill or athleticism, that's unrelated to which form of fighting is harder IMO.

I think it has more to do with how your brain is wired. When it comes to ground, everything is tremendously technical. Moving, shifting weight, planting feet, rolling on angles. And that's just gaining position. Incorporate subs and you add another layer of complexity of technical motion.

When it comes to striking. Its much more of a fluid motion relying much more heavily on the imaginative side of the brain, instead of the technical. (Right or left, can't remember which is which) Striking does have a lot of technical movements, footwork and such, but you have to be able to improvisize and react much more often than anything else.

That's just my opinion. Tell me I'm dumb or wrong, whatever you feel.

Well put. I totally agree....boxing ive always had to force myself to learn and pay very close attention to what i was doing, Its more like dancing or playing an instrument, you just have to feel it out and learn for yourself, nobody can really "teach" you nice clean striking. I have more of a technical engineering brain and wrestling and grappling just sort of came naturally when i started it up. Just by me watching i learned a lot. Not that i am great at it, I have many years of practice to go, but I just have a way of seeing and understand the things i am taught. Like it has been said it depends on the person. Its like engineering vs art...can be very similar but take a totally different mindset

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Really I think it's just the person rather than the trade. Some people have quick eyes and spot openings faster than others, making stand up easier, while some guys just have a knack for reading body movement and adjusting accordingly, making grappling easier.

I could be dead wrong though lol.


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While it depends on the person, I would say striking is easier than grappling to learn. For me personally, I've been striking under a year and I do well against people that have way more experience. I wouldn't call myself a great striker by any means, but I am average. I've been grappling since September (when I started kickboxing), and against any blue/purple belts I face I lose definitvly. I realise I am still a rookie in both areas, but I'm a lot more progressed in striking than I am BJJ.

Developing the basics for striking takes about 3-8 months with a decent trainer, and becoming an advanced striker takes about 3-5 years.

Learning the basics in BJJ takes about 6 months - 1 year, but learning to be an advanced BJJ guy takes about 7-10 years.

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Developing the basics for striking takes about 3-8 months with a decent trainer, and becoming an advanced striker takes about 3-5 years.

Learning the basics in BJJ takes about 6 months - 1 year, but learning to be an advanced BJJ guy takes about 7-10 years.

On paragraph 1, I gotta disagree. It takes much longer that 3-5 years to become an advanced striker. I would guesstimate closer to 10 to be genuinely advanced. And striking takes way more than 8 months to become versed at on the count of basics, I would estimate a year at least for the average joe.

On paragraph 2, I agree that it takes several years to become an advanced wrestling/jujitsu practitioner. But the basics probably, again take more like a year IMO to become adept for the average joe.

But that doesn't hold for everyone. Some people are intuitive strikers and can find that pinhole in their opponent's guard and sneak in a knockout punch. While some are more adept at at reading body language and movement, and feeling their opponent out in the groundwork sense of the term.

That varies dependant on how a person thinks and relates their thoughts and action/plans in the encounter. The fact is that there are so many variables involved in becoming versed at a martial art that you can't say this will take this long, or that will take that long without qualifing it as your personal opinion, or guess...even if that's how it goes for you.



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All I can say is kickboxing is alot more painful to learn than grappling. You cant tap while taking a roundhouse or eating a punch.
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On paragraph 1, I gotta disagree. It takes much longer that 3-5 years to become an advanced striker. I would guesstimate closer to 10 to be genuinely advanced. And striking takes way more than 8 months to become versed at on the count of basics, I would estimate a year at least for the average joe.

On paragraph 2, I agree that it takes several years to become an advanced wrestling/jujitsu practitioner. But the basics probably, again take more like a year IMO to become adept for the average joe.

But that doesn't hold for everyone. Some people are intuitive strikers and can find that pinhole in their opponent's guard and sneak in a knockout punch. While some are more adept at at reading body language and movement, and feeling their opponent out in the groundwork sense of the term.

That varies dependant on how a person thinks and relates their thoughts and action/plans in the encounter. The fact is that there are so many variables involved in becoming versed at a martial art that you can't say this will take this long, or that will take that long without qualifing it as your personal opinion, or guess...even if that's how it goes for you.
Of course I base my knowledge off personal experience.

When I say the basics, I mean knowledge of all of them, and application of most of them (for example in BJJ, shrimping and bridging, position before submission and application of the major holds and in kickboxing, keeping your guard up, getting your power from you're core and not your arms and legs, circling and application of the main strikes). To my experience, anyone who is serious about learning and using that stuff can do so in about 8 months. That doesn't mean they can go and KO Hari or Schilt, it means that they would easily out strike your average Joe on the street or a beginner.

Same idea with advanced, I don't mean take on K1 level kickboxers but rather I mean easily take out a person who has about 8 months of training and has the basic principles down.

For grappling, when I say advanced I mean black belt, which on average takes about 10 years.

And honestly for me, I spar with guys who have competed nationally, and although its clear I'm worse, it's not to the same degree a brown belt whips my ass when we roll.

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Of course I base my knowledge off personal experience.

When I say the basics, I mean knowledge of all of them, and application of most of them (for example in BJJ, shrimping and bridging, position before submission and application of the major holds and in kickboxing, keeping your guard up, getting your power from you're core and not your arms and legs, circling and application of the main strikes). To my experience, anyone who is serious about learning and using that stuff can do so in about 8 months. That doesn't mean they can go and KO Hari or Schilt, it means that they would easily out strike your average Joe on the street or a beginner.

Same idea with advanced, I don't mean take on K1 level kickboxers but rather I mean easily take out a person who has about 8 months of training and has the basic principles down.

For grappling, when I say advanced I mean black belt, which on average takes about 10 years.

And honestly for me, I spar with guys who have competed nationally, and although its clear I'm worse, it's not to the same degree a brown belt whips my ass when we roll.
I guess we're gonna have to just be in disagreement. Maybe we have different definitions of "versed" or just think totally different, either way...it was nice discussing with yah.



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