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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-14-2010, 11:42 PM Thread Starter
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KickBoxing Vs. Boxing

I was thinking of taking kickboxing or boxing.

And Who would win in a fight?

A Boxer
or a
KickBoxer

what advantages and disadvantages do they have with each other.

and what techniques do they use to defeat each other.

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-15-2010, 12:27 AM
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I assume you're talking about in an MMA fight. It really depends on how you feel about your skills. If your hands need work train boxing, if your kicks need work train kickboxing.....The better trained fighter would win in a fight.

In my opinion; training kickboxing would be better for MMA because you have 2 more limbs your opponent has to consider; and it allows you to mix your striking up and throw fight ending head kicks

but; do what you want and want what you do. Both styles are great.
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Kickboxer hands down just from the fact that they have more tools at their disposal. No contest IMO.
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Kickboxer hands down just from the fact that they have more tools at their disposal. No contest IMO.
Not true. If that were true, then they would have never implemented the 8 Kick Minimum Rule in professional kickboxing back in it's heyday during the late 70's and early 80's. The reason why they did that is because many low-level boxers entered kickboxing and ended up creating quite an impact on the sport.

You have to understand that Kickboxing (especially American kickboxing) started out as an outlet for full-contact Karate fighters to compete. Many of them did not have the depth of training or fighting experience that many low-level boxers had at the time. When the boxer had full license to come in and blast the kickboxer without worrying about a minimum kick count, it turned into a very one-sided boxing match. Thusly, the 8 kick minimum was put into place.

Okay, I know you're going to pull the standard K-1 event and video out and say, "See that's what happens to a Boxer when they fight in a K-1 event." No, that's what happens to a Boxer when they fight in a K-1 event without any sort of K-1 training (the majority of the time). If you look at guys with Boxing Backgrounds who've been able to train how to fight in the K-1 properly (like Mike Bernardo or Jerome LeBanner), they do pretty well.

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The boxer would win a boxing match, a kick boxer wins if it is a kick boxing match and most likely a MMA bout also.

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Kickboxer hands down just from the fact that they have more tools at their disposal. No contest IMO.
I fear not the man that practices 1000 kicks once, I fear the man that practices one kick a 1000 times. ~bruce lee

I wanna say the kickboxer generally. But I think it depends on the type of fight, the fighter and a lot of other things. Boxer is probably going to have better hands and movement, but boxing has a lot of holes when defending these "new" strikes they'd face against a kickboxer.

I would love to see klitschko vs bonjasky in a modified K1 bout, although im not sure what the rules would be.



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Boxing in and of itself is not necessarily inferior, no art is inferior to another. However in the context of full contact martial arts competition, such as in MMA, there are several fundamental disadvantages to boxing.

1. The rules of the sport's standup department are built basically around the rules of kickboxing.

2. In most cases, unless its boxing oriented for MMA, the shins and legs are not conditioned in any way to withstand leg kicks. Plenty of boxers in the early days of the UFC were obliterated because they didn't know how, or possessed the capability to check leg kicks, or the muscle memory to evade them.

3. Boxing, and in some cases kick boxing, rely on the old fashioned "tank the strike" defense. This works with 16oz gloves, but with 4-7oz MMA gloves. That strategy ain't gonna cut the mustard.

All in all, boxing is far less applicable for MMA in my personal opinion. But there have been great boxers who've compensated for any kind of disadvantages and managed to be good fighters.



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Are you guys serious?It depends on the skill level of the fighter,If you could add more things to your arsenal why not do it?IMO if the same person could fight himself one having kickboxing and the other boxing the kickboxing would win.
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Are you guys serious?It depends on the skill level of the fighter,If you could add more things to your arsenal why not do it?IMO if the same person could fight himself one having kickboxing and the other boxing the kickboxing would win.
You can't question though, that a BOXER would be ripped to shreds my a skilled kickboxer in a kickboxing match. Hell early in the UFC we all learned that boxers fail miserably in MMA competition against an equally skilled kickboxer.

And in reference to boxing unitized specifically for MMA, meaning ground fighting included in training...see my previous post. Come on dude, boxing's inferiority in MMA competition is basic stuff.



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There are plenty of top fighters that use their boxing 99% of the time in fights. Nogueira, Rampage, Vitor, Penn, they are all outstanding examples of how boxing can be extremely successful in MMA. Now if you only knew how to box, you would fail, but the same can be said if you obly knew how to kickbox.

Just because one fighter is a master at kickboxing, and one is a master at boxing, does not mean that the kickboxer is better.


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