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fightinthedog 03-31-2010 11:03 AM

Which form of stand up would be best for me?
 
Hi guys,

I've been doing MMA for about 6 months now and I love it. Now I've broken up from Uni for Easter I'm looking to incorporate some different techniques in to my training. My MMA club is a hybrid meaning it teaches bits of lots of things but I'd like to bring in something new.

I'm only a little guy and as such I'm much better on the ground than stood up so I really want to improve. Should I do Boxing, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Kung Fu...what do you guys think?

Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks :)

G_Land 03-31-2010 11:07 AM

Well who at you gym offers what? Because You can choose MT Boxing but if theres nobody there to train you your waisting your time

fightinthedog 03-31-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by G_Land (Post 1149058)
Well who at you gym offers what? Because You can choose MT Boxing but if theres nobody there to train you your waisting your time

Well the head coach is a kickboxer which is fine but I'm not built to be a kickboxer lol. Most or his stand up sessions are kick boxing. There's also a K1 class once per week but again I don't think I'm built for it.

I was planning to go elsewhere to mix up my training a bit while still training at my MMA club as usual.

G_Land 03-31-2010 11:14 AM

You can do that if your not comfortable with something dont do it because you wont give it 100%. Shop around Im sure you will find something that catched your eye

North 03-31-2010 11:05 PM

Kung Fu is a broad term for Chinese martial arts
Just as Karate is a broad term for generally Japanese/Okinawan martial arts.

Saying, "I could go try Kung Fu!" is not unlike saying, "I could go try an American martial art!"

If you knew specifically what styles of Kung Fu were being taught in your area, I could probably discuss those a bit, or at least give you what information I know of them.

G-Land has a great point though. If you don't enjoy training in that particular art at that particular place, you're not going to stick with it, and if you do force yourself to stick with it, you probably won't really excel with it.

I could go train BJJ. It'd be a great addition to my skills, especially ground skills. But I don't learn BJJ, because I'm simply not interested in that art, nor really all that interested in ground fighting.

Also, size is relatively irrelevant, y'know? There's weight classes for a reason.

Although I suppose that leads into the curious question of, are you training to actually compete, or for self defense, or both?

fightinthedog 04-01-2010 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by North (Post 1149725)
Kung Fu is a broad term for Chinese martial arts
Just as Karate is a broad term for generally Japanese/Okinawan martial arts.

Saying, "I could go try Kung Fu!" is not unlike saying, "I could go try an American martial art!"

If you knew specifically what styles of Kung Fu were being taught in your area, I could probably discuss those a bit, or at least give you what information I know of them.

G-Land has a great point though. If you don't enjoy training in that particular art at that particular place, you're not going to stick with it, and if you do force yourself to stick with it, you probably won't really excel with it.

I could go train BJJ. It'd be a great addition to my skills, especially ground skills. But I don't learn BJJ, because I'm simply not interested in that art, nor really all that interested in ground fighting.

Also, size is relatively irrelevant, y'know? There's weight classes for a reason.

Although I suppose that leads into the curious question of, are you training to actually compete, or for self defense, or both?

Man how ignorant do I feel now? Haha! Excuse the spelling but I think my local Kung Fu class teaches a style called Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan.

I have been thinking of going to do some boxing as opposed to kickboxing because I've always enjoyed it. Kickboxing never really sat well with me, not sure why but I still do alot of it...just don't want to do even more you know?

I understand, I really like BJJ and I am much better on the ground than standing up which is why I'm looking to improve.

I know weight classes make it easier but even so, maybe I'm unlucky. All of the boys in my club that are good kickboxers are tall and slim. I'm short and stocky, nobody taller than 5"8 is worried about getting kicked in the head my me haha!

I am training to compete, I was supposed to have my first Grapple and Strike Tournament a month ago but I was injured in training (Gutted!) but I will compete in the next one. The self defense aspect comes with MMA as an added bonus for me. I did a 6 week Krav Maga boot camp which solved the self defense issue pretty well.

Thanks for replying

North 04-01-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fightinthedog (Post 1149884)
Man how ignorant do I feel now? Haha! Excuse the spelling but I think my local Kung Fu class teaches a style called Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan.

I have been thinking of going to do some boxing as opposed to kickboxing because I've always enjoyed it. Kickboxing never really sat well with me, not sure why but I still do alot of it...just don't want to do even more you know?

Don't sweat it. Before I got involved deeply in martial arts and began studying my art of choice, I hadn't the faintest knowledge of vernacular like that. Most people, even those who've been involved in martial arts for many, many years, still don't realize some stuff like that.

Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan. Very cool. I don't have firsthand experience with it myself, but I'll tell you what I know of it and my take. If you want to break away from the kickboxing stuff, this is a good way to do it. The term "Chuan" means, generally, "fist" or "boxing". That information, coupled with the knowledge that it's a southern style, tells you that it's very hand oriented. Your kicks will probably be primarily below the waist - even throwing a body kick will be 'rare' (not unheared of though, by any means). Basically, southern styles focus on fighting on the inside, pounding their body and head with your hands using short power, and taking their legs from them with low kicks. Your stances will most likely look more like what'd you see from a western boxer. Those super deep stances, and the super tall stances are normally seen in northern styles rather than southern (with some exceptions), so don't worry about those. You'll probably pick up some good trapping techniques and develop some short power, which would be spiffy for clinch/dirty boxing, I'd think, and maybe even ground and pound to a point.

Like I said, I don't have firsthand experience, so I can't tell you if they'd have much in the way of throws or takedowns, or how extensively they cover Chin Na.

Most importantly though, just go check the place out, y'know? I can tell you all this stuff, but if it's not a legit kwoon or the sifu is just a tool, wasting your time studying there could be very, very worthless. Not to mention, there's always differences from one kwoon to another, one sifu to another, one branch to another, so on. So, while I can very easily picture what you'll probably see there, I could be totally off on specifics, and they might absolutely suck.

So, yeah, check it out duder, see if you're feelin' it or not.

Then again, you could always just take up the western boxing. Nothing wrong with that. I just feel like the Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan is just a different, more inclusive approach that would set you apart a bit more, and might work more for you with your size than western boxing might. Totally up to you and what you're feelin' more though.

(Eep! So lengthy! Sorry!)

-North

fightinthedog 04-02-2010 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by North (Post 1150698)
Don't sweat it. Before I got involved deeply in martial arts and began studying my art of choice, I hadn't the faintest knowledge of vernacular like that. Most people, even those who've been involved in martial arts for many, many years, still don't realize some stuff like that.

Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan. Very cool. I don't have firsthand experience with it myself, but I'll tell you what I know of it and my take. If you want to break away from the kickboxing stuff, this is a good way to do it. The term "Chuan" means, generally, "fist" or "boxing". That information, coupled with the knowledge that it's a southern style, tells you that it's very hand oriented. Your kicks will probably be primarily below the waist - even throwing a body kick will be 'rare' (not unheared of though, by any means). Basically, southern styles focus on fighting on the inside, pounding their body and head with your hands using short power, and taking their legs from them with low kicks. Your stances will most likely look more like what'd you see from a western boxer. Those super deep stances, and the super tall stances are normally seen in northern styles rather than southern (with some exceptions), so don't worry about those. You'll probably pick up some good trapping techniques and develop some short power, which would be spiffy for clinch/dirty boxing, I'd think, and maybe even ground and pound to a point.

Like I said, I don't have firsthand experience, so I can't tell you if they'd have much in the way of throws or takedowns, or how extensively they cover Chin Na.

Most importantly though, just go check the place out, y'know? I can tell you all this stuff, but if it's not a legit kwoon or the sifu is just a tool, wasting your time studying there could be very, very worthless. Not to mention, there's always differences from one kwoon to another, one sifu to another, one branch to another, so on. So, while I can very easily picture what you'll probably see there, I could be totally off on specifics, and they might absolutely suck.

So, yeah, check it out duder, see if you're feelin' it or not.

Then again, you could always just take up the western boxing. Nothing wrong with that. I just feel like the Shaolin Nam Pai Chuan is just a different, more inclusive approach that would set you apart a bit more, and might work more for you with your size than western boxing might. Totally up to you and what you're feelin' more though.

(Eep! So lengthy! Sorry!)

-North

I really appreciate that long reply lol. I've emailed the Sifu and I'm supposed to be going down there on Monday night, 8-10. Hopefully I'll like it but we'll see how it goes. Here is he email he sent me:

"Hi Liam,

Thanks for your message.

The level of sparring we undertake often depends on factors such as the time until the next grading etc. Generally I'll have a session concentrating on sparring once in every two or three weeks; with NPC being a broad art there is a lot of other material to cover as well. Nam Pai Chuan sparring has recently switched to light contact (10-20% power, full speed) rather than the full contact sparring we engaged in up until this year, in a bid to try to encourage technique over sheer strength and brutality.

The classes I teach tend to cover self-defence/practical techniques because it's an area of interest of mine, but of course we study many traditional MA techniques and forms. NPC is solidly based on a branch of southern-style shaolin but with input from other arts. Hence, much of what you could learn would be very applicable to real-life situations, with the traditional forms and drills reinforcing aspects such as correct stance and practice of striking techniques.

If you'd like to know anything more please feel free to email me.

Regards,
Sam"

It sounds very good! I'd love to give it a try but of course, if I don't like it there are probably other clubs around in my city. This one is just the closest.

Thanks again


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