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mrpez 04-30-2010 12:48 AM

Muay Thai vs BJJ: Pros and Cons
 
Muay Thai and BJJ classes are offered near where I live, and my friend and I are interested to begin training in one of them.

Background: 18, work out daily, took Karate (not sure what style) a few years ago and got up to blue belt two stripe.

What are the pros and cons of muay thai and BJJ in a 1v1 fight? i understand there are nuances to each, and a fight between two well-trained fighters is hard to predict. i also know that BJJ specializes in ground work while muay thai is more stand-up fighting.

im talking about a 1v1 fight against someone who most likely has no formal training in either field (like some punk who wants to fight).

thanks

Halfraq9 04-30-2010 11:05 AM

A better question would be what style are YOU suited to. Some people are comfortable on the ground, others aren't and like stand up. Rolling creeps some guys out because of some of the positions. Ultimately picking a style you're suited to will enable you to focus on and get better at that style.

With regard to your question, "What are the pros and cons of muay thai and BJJ in a 1v1 fight?" IMO this answered by the very early UFC fights. Back in the day most of these guys had one discipline with very little cross-training. The Gracies and BJJ dominated.

If your looking to train with your friend, why not join an MMA Gym and train a variety of things?

mrpez 04-30-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfraq9 (Post 1172869)
A better question would be what style are YOU suited to. Some people are comfortable on the ground, others aren't and like stand up. Rolling creeps some guys out because of some of the positions. Ultimately picking a style you're suited to will enable you to focus on and get better at that style.

With regard to your question, "What are the pros and cons of muay thai and BJJ in a 1v1 fight?" IMO this answered by the very early UFC fights. Back in the day most of these guys had one discipline with very little cross-training. The Gracies and BJJ dominated.

If your looking to train with your friend, why not join an MMA Gym and train a variety of things?

there isnt an MMA gym around here. just the BJJ gym, which is a Gracie one, and a muay thai place.

enceledus 04-30-2010 02:28 PM

wow... only the 4323452346471234513th one of these threads.

CFT_Ian 04-30-2010 02:42 PM

If you are asking best against some punk who picks a fight you are talking street fights.

I never recommend going to the ground in a street fight if you can help it. If this punk has a friend with him and you hit the ground his buddy is gonna stomp your face in.

I would say take a striking art, like MT.

Though personally I would recommend taking both. Being well rounded, in case the punk tackles you, is never a bad thing.

punchbag 04-30-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mrpez (Post 1172732)
Muay Thai and BJJ classes are offered near where I live, and my friend and I are interested to begin training in one of them.

Background: 18, work out daily, took Karate (not sure what style) a few years ago and got up to blue belt two stripe.

What are the pros and cons of muay thai and BJJ in a 1v1 fight? i understand there are nuances to each, and a fight between two well-trained fighters is hard to predict. i also know that BJJ specializes in ground work while muay thai is more stand-up fighting.

im talking about a 1v1 fight against someone who most likely has no formal training in either field (like some punk who wants to fight).

thanks

I've trained in both, over a couple of years, and have had some fights competitivly as well as a few outside,lol. I say using Muay Thai in a street fight is very good, as the majority of people that will try to apply chokes or submission holds in a streetfight, is "FAIRLY UNLIKELY".
However, any punk can throw a punch, however wild and sloppy it may be.
Being able to slip some strikes, and counter with your own is always a good basis to start with, especially as bjj strikng in comparison is nowhere near as effective,add to this the fact that knocking out a wanna-be bully is always cool.
However, as i'm sure you know a lot of fights also end up in a grapple type situation,like a headlock, or someone grabing your collar trying to punch you, and this is where bjj is at it's best.
Being able to reverse someone with a throw,or choking them unconcious, not only looks cool, but can stop you taking a beating, just even being able to break their grip can be a deciding factor in who wins a fight.

Overall,Ju jitsu could be the better option, as not many people will know the techniques to escape your submissions/holds, compared to striking of Muay Thai, which is why Royce Gracie was originally so successful in the early UFC events, because people didn't know how to cope with his strange techniques.
Assuming it's a fair fight, this is great, but personally i'd "NEVER" go to the ground intentionally in a streetfight, unless your "CERTAIN" no one else is going to join in on your opponents behalf.
Also, there's nothing sweeter than knocking out a bully with a knee to the jaw in front of his friends, the choice is yours(hope I helped).

punchbag 04-30-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrpez (Post 1172732)
Muay Thai and BJJ classes are offered near where I live, and my friend and I are interested to begin training in one of them.

Background: 18, work out daily, took Karate (not sure what style) a few years ago and got up to blue belt two stripe.

What are the pros and cons of muay thai and BJJ in a 1v1 fight? i understand there are nuances to each, and a fight between two well-trained fighters is hard to predict. i also know that BJJ specializes in ground work while muay thai is more stand-up fighting.

im talking about a 1v1 fight against someone who most likely has no formal training in either field (like some punk who wants to fight).

thanks

I've trained in both, over a couple of years, and have had some fights competitivly as well as a few outside,lol. I say using Muay Thai in a street fight is very good, as the majority of people that will try to apply chokes or submission holds in a streetfight, is "FAIRLY UNLIKELY".
However, any punk can throw a punch, however wild and sloppy it may be.
Being able to slip some strikes, and counter with your own is always a good basis to start with, especially as bjj strikng in comparison is nowhere near as effective.

But, as i'm sure you know a lot of fights also end up in a grapple type situation,like a headlock, or someone grabbing your collar trying to punch you, and this is where bjj is at it's best.
Being able to reverse someone with a throw,or choking them unconcious, not only looks cool, but can stop you taking a beating, just even being able to break their grip can be a deciding factor in who wins a fight.

Overall,Ju jitsu could be the better option, as not many people will know the techniques to escape your submissions/holds, compared to striking of Muay Thai, which is why Royce Gracie was originally so successful in the early UFC events, because people didn't know how to cope with his strange techniques.

Assuming it's a fair fight,like you say, this is great. Personally i'd "NEVER" go to the ground intentionally in a streetfight, unless your "CERTAIN" no one else is going to join in on your opponents behalf.
Also, there's nothing sweeter than knocking out a bully with a knee to the jaw, in front of his friends.
As a basis, i'd say Muay Thai first, if you can only afford one martial art, but if it's a "Gracie Academy" get in their quick, chances are they have fighters who are proficient in both, the choice is yours mate(hope I helped).

mrpez 04-30-2010 04:52 PM

thanks for all the advice!

i know these threads are repetitive and it helps when people actually reply with serious answers.

just a note: im not looking to learn these to go out and pick fights. its just helpful to know which style would be effective if the need should arise.

so bjj is more grappling and groundwork. does muay thai have no response to those? id like to learn both striking and groundwork if its possible, and if one of these forms covers both (to some degree) it would be great.

RIPPER 04-30-2010 05:55 PM

DUDE!!!!! Go use GOOGLE!!! DAMN!

xeberus 05-01-2010 09:20 AM

Muay Thai hands down.


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