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#1 ·
i know this isnt really mma related but i need to know how to fight a big guy on the street...i'd say hes about 6'4 maybe 250....i'm lik 5'7 and 165 lol...this guy wont let up and i'm thinking i might get dragged into something...

i've been doing mma for a few months now and in sparring sessions when i spar with bigger guys i always have the problem of not committing to the punch when i get in close because they're soo much bigger than me...i have pretty fast hands and ok defense but if i get hounded by this guy on the street i dont know how i'd deal with it...my sensai says to just ignore him but its no that easy

if anyone can give me any pointers so that i dont get reamed it'd be great lol
 
#2 ·
I too am in a simalar situation. My debut fight may be against a bigger guy. I stand 5'6", 145lbs and he's about
5'10", 180-200lbs. This would be his first fight as well, and I've been training for a few months now. The fight is in 2 months so any advice would be appreciated for taking down these giants.
 
#3 ·
traf_quake my advice to you is continue training, focus on grappling, most big guys are really not to good at throwing punches, due to them using all arms. taking fights to the ground most people are not familiar with. i suggest if you stand stand in side of his punches, take it down, and choke or go for a lock, most people could with stand punches better than getting choked while winded.

wingnutt your out of your weight class a bit i would say... but if it is your plan, i noticed with bigger guys i can get leg locks easily, or turtle giving my back and let them get the arms set for the rear naked choke, but slap the feet until they cross and figure four their ankles forcing them to tap...
 
#4 ·
traf_quake said:
i know this isnt really mma related but i need to know how to fight a big guy on the street...i'd say hes about 6'4 maybe 250....i'm lik 5'7 and 165 lol...this guy wont let up and i'm thinking i might get dragged into something...

i've been doing mma for a few months now and in sparring sessions when i spar with bigger guys i always have the problem of not committing to the punch when i get in close because they're soo much bigger than me...i have pretty fast hands and ok defense but if i get hounded by this guy on the street i dont know how i'd deal with it...my sensai says to just ignore him but its no that easy

if anyone can give me any pointers so that i dont get reamed it'd be great lol
Size does not alway matter. though most big guys may have a real problem fighting smaller guys ints not always true. I am 6'2" and about 250lbs. now if you were fighting me.. THe advice you were given above would not work. EVERY person is different you can not train to handle little guys or big guys or whatever. YOu were told to try and grapple him. that may be great but what if he is a black belt in JuJitsu regardless which style. or if you try to trade punches, he could be a golden glove winner in boxing. or have a black belt in some other martial art. not saying it is hopeless... no fight ever is. my advice to you is to train hard and listen to your sensei. If at all possible avoid the fight. The highest for of martial arts is to fight with out fighting, To paraphrase Bruce Lee a little. If possible travel with a friend or two who you know will have your back. Most bullies will not fight you if you have a friend or two they are going to have to fight as well. change your travel routes so he does not know where your going to be and when.
Do what you can to prolong the fight for as long as possible or until he just gets bored and looks else where. But if it does happen. don't hold back. Hit hard, kick hard, Bite hard. Squeeze the dudes balls if you have to.. Remeber this is a street fight, not a sanctioned competition. This person wants to hurt you. hurt them to the point they won't ever want to hurt you again. Make them think twice about wanting to bully anyone else and remeber THIS IS A STREET FIGHT THERE ARE NO RULES. YOUR ONLY GOAL IS TO SURVIVE. But above all avoid it if you can. Even if it means running away. WHich could be a good tactic. Lots of big guys do not like running and are not good sprinters.. you might be able to wind him and if you can loose him turn and attack fast.. and don't let him catch his breath. but because he could run marathons for fun.

Basicly over all.. just train hard try to avoid the fight.. but be prepared if it ever does happen, just don't go looking for it. THat just makes you a bully too..
 
#5 ·
wingnutt said:
I too am in a simalar situation. My debut fight may be against a bigger guy. I stand 5'6", 145lbs and he's about
5'10", 180-200lbs. This would be his first fight as well, and I've been training for a few months now. The fight is in 2 months so any advice would be appreciated for taking down these giants.
If this is a sanctioned fight in a competition there is no reason you two should be competitng completely different weight classes. If its not then well think of it as good practice. Do what you can to watch his training with out your being watched.. Scout him out.. talk to people he trains with . YOur big advantage will be this. Most bigger guys think they have an advantage over smaller guys. It can breed a bit of laziness and he may underestimate you.. I say focus on your stregths don't try to set up for any one move you may not get the chance just compete hard and if you lose in your case hey. Its competition not someone trying to bash your head in. Learn from it and in the future stick to your weight class unless its just training.
 
#6 ·
Dude, avoid fighting if at all possible, but if something goes down remember: It's a street fight. You do whatever the hell you have to do to put him down. Don't stand up and trade punches with him. His reach combined with his weight means you're going to get smacked hard and probably won't hurt him too bad. Avoid it, but if you can, kick his nuts, claw him in the face, do whatever you have to do to survive.

It's all about intensity man. If that cat attacks you and realizes he's attacking a maniac, he'll back off. But the best thing you can do is just avoid it.
 
#7 ·
slip the jab if ur gonna swing, head movement is also key. on a big guy u need to be on the inside cause trading is harder with them especially if they can box a bit. my advice: get on the inside and go to the body and if u land something good then takedown
 
#8 ·
hey guys thanks for all the advice...ya i've been avoiding the guy a lot...and the advice for the takedown is good...i was thinking that myself because he's soo big and not really fast...plus i''m sure the only fighting he's ever done would be on the streets....just wondering what the right way to go with that would be...i wouldnt wanna shoot then end up not being able to take him down cuz hes too heavy
 
#9 ·
traf_quake said:
hey guys thanks for all the advice...ya i've been avoiding the guy a lot...and the advice for the takedown is good...i was thinking that myself because he's soo big and not really fast...plus i''m sure the only fighting he's ever done would be on the streets....just wondering what the right way to go with that would be...i wouldnt wanna shoot then end up not being able to take him down cuz hes too heavy
throw a few get in for a clinch (NOT A THAI CLINCH... a chest to chest, with double under hooks), then small outside or inside reaps or hooks. if that does not work you are not in bad position, because you'll still have clinch. if that does not work, i would then go for a thai clinch squat down holding clinch looking straight forward pull down on thai clinch and spring straight up into his chin or nose. if you miss your still not in bad position with a tight thai clinch..

i work on a lot of cross grips to belt grips, stepping around outside of opponents power arm and keeping control of his hand. this leaves me in a very good position. standing to the side of a bent over off balance opponent, or i can end up standing behind him with both arms around his waist. either way i feel very comfortable this way... oh but if your behind with a waist grip put your cheek to his spine(lot of guys throw elbows).

but if you do go for a shot, against bigger guys i tend to not really do it but, if i must i will go for a single. i place my foot between his, with my knee of the same side i touch it to the ground past his feet same side arm and shoulder twist to the outside catching the crook of his knee to the crook of my shooting arm to trap(KEEP YOUR CHEEK TO HIS BODY or you will get choked)i then take my drag foot and plant it to the outside of his leg i have trapped, shift all my direction and posture to the other side, and drive his weight over his planted foot.
 
#10 ·
does anyone know any mma fights that could be useful to me??? i 've seen the cro cop vs. bob sapp one...but are they're any others in my situation
 
#12 ·
awake said:
Big Nog vs Bob Sapp, even though Big Nog took one hell of a beating. Genki Sudo vs Butterbean is a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lthhFU0pXuc
6'0" 183lbs vs 6'8" 600lbs, yet another classic, until the yellow card was boring(13:22 seconds and all the action was shown), unlike the genki sudo fight , genki brought entertainment and action.

Pride Fighting - Bizarre Spectacles

this is the genki sudo from start to finish, ring entrance too!!!! watch to see why genki is the man!!!
 
#13 ·
Calibretto9 said:
Dude, avoid fighting if at all possible, but if something goes down remember: It's a street fight. You do whatever the hell you have to do to put him down. Don't stand up and trade punches with him. His reach combined with his weight means you're going to get smacked hard and probably won't hurt him too bad. Avoid it, but if you can, kick his nuts, claw him in the face, do whatever you have to do to survive.

It's all about intensity man. If that cat attacks you and realizes he's attacking a maniac, he'll back off. But the best thing you can do is just avoid it.
I agree 100%, only fight as a last resort and if you have to fight, hit hard, hit fast, hit first and get him to the ground, and absolutely kick him in the nuts, it's a street fight no rules apply.
 
#14 ·
traf_quake said:
i know this isnt really mma related but i need to know how to fight a big guy on the street...i'd say hes about 6'4 maybe 250....i'm lik 5'7 and 165 lol...this guy wont let up and i'm thinking i might get dragged into something...

i've been doing mma for a few months now and in sparring sessions when i spar with bigger guys i always have the problem of not committing to the punch when i get in close because they're soo much bigger than me...i have pretty fast hands and ok defense but if i get hounded by this guy on the street i dont know how i'd deal with it...my sensai says to just ignore him but its no that easy

if anyone can give me any pointers so that i dont get reamed it'd be great lol
well given the situation (his size vs your experiance) you are kind of in a rut. and since you said this isnt exactly MMA related, then i offer you street advice. wear a jacket and keep your hands in your pocket, but have brass knuckles laced around your fingers. if he comes, you can just pull out your hand and land a shot on the bridge of his nose. i dont know the circumstances nor relationship between you and your aggressor but a final resort would be to stab him in the belly. dont forget about running if you have to either. there is a time to fight and a time to flee. like i said, this isnt MMA advice, just how things were done when i grew up. take care.
 
#15 ·
HawaiianLion said:
well given the situation (his size vs your experiance) you are kind of in a rut. and since you said this isnt exactly MMA related, then i offer you street advice. wear a jacket and keep your hands in your pocket, but have brass knuckles laced around your fingers. if he comes, you can just pull out your hand and land a shot on the bridge of his nose. i dont know the circumstances nor relationship between you and your aggressor but a final resort would be to stab him in the belly. dont forget about running if you have to either. there is a time to fight and a time to flee. like i said, this isnt MMA advice, just how things were done when i grew up. take care.
that is a great way to get his shit pushed in at an early age.

the best thing to do is as i have said earlier, continue training. in the street the best thing you build is cardio, the normal guy has only about 1 minute of air in his fight.
the more you see punches coming at you the more air you will have and more calm you will be. your punches will flow instead of being pushed.
work on your ground game, bigger guys generally believe they have and advantage on the ground with a smaller guy. sharpen your ground game and prove him wrong. if it never happens good, if it does you'll be prepared..

or have your friends punch you in the ears, let them get you in the headlock and you fight free, giving you cauliflower ears, the bully will see that and think your one of those tough mma guys...
 
#16 ·
Sreet fight? Tall man vs short man. Tall man will be looking for the nutsmash. Bring his attention up by attacking his eyes/throat with finger/spearhand strike, assuming you can get close enough, then nutsmash, attack the knee, footstomp, etc. Run away, fast. Good luck.
 
#17 ·
ya ya i've been working on my ground game too....i was thinking about this move we've been doing at kickboxing....its like a front leg straight kick....but like its thrown from close puching range...where u get in close enough for him to punch u then just before he throws u bring ur knee up really hight then pow...right to the solarplexes...i;m thinking about getting this move down cuz i've seen it really do some damage
 
#18 ·
traf_quake said:
ya ya i've been working on my ground game too....i was thinking about this move we've been doing at kickboxing....its like a front leg straight kick....but like its thrown from close puching range...where u get in close enough for him to punch u then just before he throws u bring ur knee up really hight then pow...right to the solarplexes...i;m thinking about getting this move down cuz i've seen it really do some damage
i had this move done by a tae kwon do guy to me.
he threw a punch i ducked under and got caught with his knee, it hurt, but i pulled it into a double. he was trying to kick me off as i took control of his legs, climded up his body, sat back started to fire off a couple in his face.
yes the knee hurt, it did slow me down, but i was going to smash him anyway. i was out sized by him, 135lbs vs 180-190lbs.
 
#19 ·
kishiro said:
i had this move done by a tae kwon do guy to me.
he threw a punch i ducked under and got caught with his knee, it hurt, but i pulled it into a double. he was trying to kick me off as i took control of his legs, climded up his body, sat back started to fire off a couple in his face.
yes the knee hurt, it did slow me down, but i was going to smash him anyway. i was out sized by him, 135lbs vs 180-190lbs.

haha nice bro....ya i wasnt really talking about a knee if thats the way it sounded...i meant more of like a hard muay thai front kick...cuz if u get their solarplexes to spasm its like pure paninc attack...so if i land it then its like gold to just knee him in the face or bring him down or watever
 
#21 · (Edited)
this is a street fight not a competition so dont treat it like one fight dirty. thumb to eyes work nice, groin shots wont really work because every one expects them.

and for all of you people suggesting him to grapple ... grappeling on the street is by far the stupidist thing any one can do and thats coming from a grappeler. your assuming that no one is going to jump in which is something you just cant risk. In the real world its not a 1 on 1 fight you have to worry about other people coming in.

Also when your on the ground every one is not going to fight the way a grappeler fights and unless your used to fighting people that dont know how to grapple you might actually be at a disadvantage because your limiting yourself. Like I said fight dirty. WHats going to happen when you put him in a submition. You put him in an arm bar and you assume he gives up and you win but he could end up trying to fight again. Your only real option grappeling wise is a choke because you dont want to be liable for anything.

If I were you and I had to fight a much bigger opponent. I would fight dirty because in all honesty martial arts are dirty. All this sport application takes away from the real purpose of it which isnt to compete but to survive. Dont fight him like an mma fighter because this isnt a sport. Giving advice as if it were a sport is stupid.

Thats why all of these boxers go out and try to fight on the street and get their asses kicked because some one just takes them to the ground kicks or pulls some shit that they dont know and they get pissed because they werent playing by their rules.


In a street fight you know how I escape a pin? **** bridge and roll finger to the eye and roll. If I ever get stuck in a bad position I will shove my thumb in some ones eye on the street. I will pull your hair out, I will bite, I will punch you in th throat and attack vitals.

Id love for some of the people that say oh thats not fighting fair to tell that to the people who created these martial arts. Tell that to Jiu Jitzu practioners from feudal japan who created the art that and they will laugh in your face. Martial arts were made to fight not for sport. They were made to fight wars and to survive. If this punk wants to fight then dont fight him like your playing a game fight him like your trying to survive
 
#22 ·
traf_quake said:
i know this isnt really mma related but i need to know how to fight a big guy on the street...i'd say hes about 6'4 maybe 250....i'm lik 5'7 and 165 lol...this guy wont let up and i'm thinking i might get dragged into something...

i've been doing mma for a few months now and in sparring sessions when i spar with bigger guys i always have the problem of not committing to the punch when i get in close because they're soo much bigger than me...i have pretty fast hands and ok defense but if i get hounded by this guy on the street i dont know how i'd deal with it...my sensai says to just ignore him but its no that easy

if anyone can give me any pointers so that i dont get reamed it'd be great lol
Honestly, you should avoid him at all costs. I know size doesn't mean much if you've been training, but this guy is almost 100 LBS heavier than you.

If worst comes to worst, do what Bas says. Kick him in the balls. After that I'd get away ASAP.
 
#23 ·
EC_Raider_07 said:
Honestly, you should avoid him at all costs. I know size doesn't mean much if you've been training, but this guy is almost 100 LBS heavier than you.

If worst comes to worst, do what Bas says. Kick him in the balls. After that I'd get away ASAP.
yeah bas rutten is the man hes one of the few fighters that undrstand the difference between a street fight and a pro fight. I remember watchinghis video and he was like be aware of yuor surroundings and anything that you can use as weapons. Salt shakers, beer bottles chairs etc. Tells some good fighting stories too
 
#24 ·
mrmyz said:
and for all of you people suggesting him to grapple ... grappeling on the street is by far the stupidist thing any one can do and thats coming from a grappeler. your assuming that no one is going to jump in which is something you just cant risk. In the real world its not a 1 on 1 fight you have to worry about other people coming in.
he did not say anything about him having any friends that are jumping in

"i know this isnt really mma related but i need to know how to fight a big guy on the street...i'd say hes about 6'4 maybe 250....i'm lik 5'7 and 165 lol...this guy wont let up and i'm thinking i might get dragged into something..."

so to me it sounds like a one on one fight, if not he most likly would have said, "there are these guys"

these are a few examples of how stupid it is to grapple in a street fight,like how mrmyz said it is.... so if ever you fight in the street DO NOT, grip fight, clinch, throw, slam, impact control, body control, choke, lock, or GnP... because it never works in the street!!! it only works in an organized setting, such as competition!!!!

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i am not saying striking does not work, i am not saying all fights will be the same. many fights in the street you will be jumped. some times you will not, there is no telling what will happen, or what will or won't work, i belive go with what you know, or what ever works at that time.
 
#25 ·
kishiro said:
he did not say anything about him having any friends that are jumping in

"i know this isnt really mma related but i need to know how to fight a big guy on the street...i'd say hes about 6'4 maybe 250....i'm lik 5'7 and 165 lol...this guy wont let up and i'm thinking i might get dragged into something..."

so to me it sounds like a one on one fight, if not he most likly would have said, "there are these guys"

these are a few examples of how stupid it is to grapple in a street fight,like how mrmyz said it is.... so if ever you fight in the street DO NOT, grip fight, clinch, throw, slam, impact control, body control, choke, lock, or GnP... because it never works in the street!!! it only works in an organized setting, such as competition!!!!

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i am not saying striking does not work, i am not saying all fights will be the same. many fights in the street you will be jumped. some times you will not, there is no telling what will happen, or what will or won't work, i belive go with what you know, or what ever works at that time.
you can assume that it is one on one all you want and you can post all those best case scenario links all you want. The fact is that in any circumstance that you fight on the street you can never assume another person wont jump in to assist their freind it would be stupid to do so.

Im a cop and I have seen what happens from one on one fight in the street. One time these two kids were going at it one was winning and the other ones freinds gave him a concusion from a kick to the head while he was focusing on another opponent. In the real world you have to try and finish as quickly as possible. Im a martial artist but im also a soldier and I think like a soldier. Put me in a triangle in a real life situation and I will reach around grab your nuts and strat crushing them with my hand and we will see how long you hold that submition ...
 
#26 ·
mrmyz said:
you can assume that it is one on one all you want and you can post all those best case scenario links all you want. The fact is that in any circumstance that you fight on the street you can never assume another person wont jump in to assist their freind it would be stupid to do so.

Im a cop and I have seen what happens from one on one fight in the street. One time these two kids were going at it one was winning and the other ones freinds gave him a concusion from a kick to the head while he was focusing on another opponent. In the real world you have to try and finish as quickly as possible. Im a martial artist but im also a soldier and I think like a soldier. Put me in a triangle in a real life situation and I will reach around grab your nuts and strat crushing them with my hand and we will see how long you hold that submition ...
you are a fool to think ahead in a fight, such as giving me a reach around... if you ever mixed it up you know in a fight plans rarely happen the way you want it.

good for you your a cop so you have seen what happends in the street, but that is only when you are called. i have lived in some bad spots in my life, so i have seen what happends before your called, i seen what happends when the witness "didn't see anything", i seen what happends when the witness stories don't match. and you as a cop, i hear you guys always *****ing about these problems.

as i said it is rare to get a one on one fight, but if it happends go with what you know. or what ever is working at that time.

few things i street fights i have learned in my life,#1 relax & revert to your training, #2 no police are there when it is going down (they tend to come after), #3 there is no fair street fight

i have seen fights happen and they are down the block watching, waiting for backup, the adverage time for back up to arrive is 8-12min. most fights don't last that long......
 
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