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There's a lot of information presented here. But its not all good.

If you want to kill a man in a street fight, Krav Maga might be the way to go. Its literally a military combative, which means, takedown and kill. While that's a good theory, I know an active duty Marine who's stand up and grappling skills are lackluster at best. Hence, I put little faith in combatives.

If you want to knock a guy down so you have a second or two to run away from the bar, or alley way or what have you. A standing grappling art is a much better option.

In a standing grapling art you would simply have to take the opponent down, maybe drop a punch once he's on the ground if you feel its necessary, and run the hell away. Because there is no better option in a street fight than running the hell away. Good ideas for standing grappling arts that would be helpful are: Judo, Japanese Jiu-jutsu, and (if you can find a school in your area) Sambo.



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If you want to kill a man in a street fight, Krav Maga might be the way to go. Its literally a military combative, which means, takedown and kill. While that's a good theory, I know an active duty Marine who's stand up and grappling skills are lackluster at best. Hence, I put little faith in combatives.
if you train a a reputable gym they will work on things like that a lot better than they do in in the military. Maybe its just the place i train in but in the advance class stand up and grappling is pretty decent. The guy that owns my place is a local mma champion till he retired and helio soneca is our BJJ trainer.

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if you train a a reputable gym they will work on things like that a lot better than they do in in the military. Maybe its just the place i train in but in the advance class stand up and grappling is pretty decent. The guy that owns my place is a local mma champion till he retired and helio soneca is our BJJ trainer.
So, by your logic, a 17 year old kid at a gym is a more developed fighter than a guy who fights to the death? Doesn't sound realistic to me. Combatives in common useage is completely different than combatives unused. And unless you're dead, you haven't done full contact Krav Maga. Its very easy to do full contact stand up grappling and become very adept at the art in common useage. Techniques in the gym, and in reality, are very different things.

Example 1: A counter wrist lock-shoulder throw-knee to the head is exceedingly complex and cannot be practiced full contact in the gym. A lead leg sweep-reverse punch-run the F*** away, is very simple to practice in the gym at full speed and is a much simpler and equally effective maneuver.

Example 2: A counter throat strike-groin knee-leg sweep cannot be practiced full speed in the gym. A simple block-clinch-hip toss-run the F*** away can be trainined full speed in the gym.

The point of these examples are that while both can be done in real life, which would you do in a rapid, instinct situation, chances are it would be the simpler maneuver. So why train something unnecessarily complex? The phrase "keep it simple-stupid" comes to play here.

So how does your gym work. They teach stand up(what kind?), ground grappling(BJJ?) and Krav Maga(hybrid system)separately?



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okay so sounds like basically boxing, muay thai, krav maga all work...

anyone know of a decent gym in washington? (not DC) i did a search for boxing gyms and their are a TON... and no clue how to choose.
Easiest way is if a gym has an pro fighters, do a bit of research as they'll be the guys with proven fight experience and will have more chance of showing you good technique as they would have had to use it against skilled opponents, so it will be more effective against non skilled opponents/streetfighters (just check out KIMBO's venture into MMA).
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So, by your logic, a 17 year old kid at a gym is a more developed fighter than a guy who fights to the death? Doesn't sound realistic to me. Combatives in common useage is completely different than combatives unused. And unless you're dead, you haven't done full contact Krav Maga. Its very easy to do full contact stand up grappling and become very adept at the art in common useage. Techniques in the gym, and in reality, are very different things.

Example 1: A counter wrist lock-shoulder throw-knee to the head is exceedingly complex and cannot be practiced full contact in the gym. A lead leg sweep-reverse punch-run the F*** away, is very simple to practice in the gym at full speed and is a much simpler and equally effective maneuver.

Example 2: A counter throat strike-groin knee-leg sweep cannot be practiced full speed in the gym. A simple block-clinch-hip toss-run the F*** away can be trainined full speed in the gym.

The point of these examples are that while both can be done in real life, which would you do in a rapid, instinct situation, chances are it would be the simpler maneuver. So why train something unnecessarily complex? The phrase "keep it simple-stupid" comes to play here.

So how does your gym work. They teach stand up(what kind?), ground grappling(BJJ?) and Krav Maga(hybrid system)separately?
i am agreeing with you keep it simple stupid is good where i train however things an expert can help refine your basics more. you said that you know with a marine and you think his stand up and grappling was mediocre. Now i am saying having someone like seneca and a former champ can help and make you basics better than lack luster.

when we train in the advanced leval we train full contact stand up sparing and grappling. also the tactics we learn are pretty simple and tweaked for more every day life not for military combat.

they have separate BBJ judo and MT classes but the instructors of those classes also help give a little insight in the krav classes.

not trying to say krave is better in a gym just different

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i am agreeing with you keep it simple stupid is good where i train however things an expert can help refine your basics more. you said that you know with a marine and you think his stand up and grappling was mediocre. Now i am saying having someone like seneca and a former champ can help and make you basics better than lack luster.
I agree a trainer can make the basics far better than without. But Marines are trained in basic and in MCT (Marine Combat School) by highly skilled veterans. But the skills still suck. Its not that they're untrained, its that they're trained poorly in hand-to-hand IMO.

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when we train in the advanced leval we train full contact stand up sparing and grappling. also the tactics we learn are pretty simple and tweaked for more every day life not for military combat.
I consider street fighting very similar to the street-to-street fighting encountered in modern war. And that in essense is what Krav Maga is, street-to-street fighting against multiple opponents in a wartime situation. Anything else is just a cut down version.

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they have separate BBJ judo and MT classes but the instructors of those classes also help give a little insight in the krav classes.
Gotcha. I was just asking to try and get an understanding of how the training worked.

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not trying to say krave is better in a gym just different
As I said before I just don't see how a combat system, specifically designed for warfare with support troops, in a squad based setting, can be an effective option of one-on-one or one-on-two negative defense. Its just not designed to be used that way.



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As I said before I just don't see how a combat system, specifically designed for warfare with support troops, in a squad based setting, can be an effective option of one-on-one or one-on-two negative defense. Its just not designed to be used that way.
Thea like I said it might just be my gym but in addition to the combative moves we do allot of one on one stand up and grappling.

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Thea like I said it might just be my gym but in addition to the combative moves we do allot of one on one stand up and grappling.
It might be your school. I think your probably right on that count.

I've never seen Krav Maga effectively melded with any other form of martial arts because of the unorthodox and very strict style limitations. However I would be curious to see what properly melded Krav Maga would look like. I doubt it would look much like traditional Krav Maga.



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okay so sounds like basically boxing, muay thai, krav maga all work...

anyone know of a decent gym in washington? (not DC) i did a search for boxing gyms and their are a TON... and no clue how to choose.
Where specifically in Washington are you located. I train in Everett and the place is awesome!!
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On the street there are no fair fights, and you never know if the guy you're fighting has a knife/gun/years in an mma gym.

But as to the original question, I'd say kickboxing/boxing. I do not agree on any level with someone who even suggests its okay or reasonable to go to the ground in a street fight. Being on the ground in a street fight is death, terrible position to be in and I personally would never risk it.



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