Originally Posted by americanfighter
if you train a a reputable gym they will work on things like that a lot better than they do in in the military. Maybe its just the place i train in but in the advance class stand up and grappling is pretty decent. The guy that owns my place is a local mma champion till he retired and helio soneca is our BJJ trainer.
So, by your logic, a 17 year old kid at a gym is a more developed fighter than a guy who fights to the death? Doesn't sound realistic to me. Combatives in common useage is completely different than combatives unused. And unless you're dead, you haven't done full contact Krav Maga. Its very easy to do full contact stand up grappling and become very adept at the art in common useage. Techniques in the gym, and in reality, are very different things.
Example 1: A counter wrist lock-shoulder throw-knee to the head is exceedingly complex and cannot be practiced full contact in the gym. A lead leg sweep-reverse punch-run the F*** away, is very simple to practice in the gym at full speed and is a much simpler and equally effective maneuver.
Example 2: A counter throat strike-groin knee-leg sweep cannot be practiced full speed in the gym. A simple block-clinch-hip toss-run the F*** away can be trainined full speed in the gym.
The point of these examples are that while both can be done in real life, which would you do in a rapid, instinct situation, chances are it would be the simpler maneuver. So why train something unnecessarily complex? The phrase "keep it simple-stupid" comes to play here.
So how does your gym work. They teach stand up(what kind?), ground grappling(BJJ?) and Krav Maga(hybrid system)separately?