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Old 07-30-2010, 04:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I cant believe anybody has given any answer other than KRAV MAGA! That art was literally designed for exactly what the OP is looking for: street fighting defense.
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I cant believe anybody has given any answer other than KRAV MAGA! That art was literally designed for exactly what the OP is looking for: street fighting defense.
You do understand that Krav Maga is a MILITARY COMBATIVE. Originally taught only to the Israeli military forces. Its not designed to temporarily immobilize, or temporarily hinder an opponent so that the user can run away. Its designed to KILL, just like with every other combative ever developed. Perhaps you should watch something other than Human Weapon before determing which Art would be best...
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You do understand that Krav Maga is a MILITARY COMBATIVE. Originally taught only to the Israeli military forces. Its not designed to temporarily immobilize, or temporarily hinder an opponent so that the user can run away. Its designed to KILL, just like with every other combative ever developed. Perhaps you should watch something other than Human Weapon before determing which Art would be best...
Well they teach krav where I train they teach allot of combative not designed to kill but just to neutralize. Just wondeing have you ever watched or trained in krav?
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Well they teach krav where I train they teach allot of combative not designed to kill but just to neutralize. Just wondeing have you ever watched or trained in krav?
I haven't trained in it but have watched a great many demos. I was seriously considering it at one point. And from what I have learned, if its real Israeli Krav Maga, its a combative. The opponent has a knife, neutralize the knife wielding arm, take the knife, kill him with it. Its designed to be used in combat, hence the title.

Anything else is just a watered down verson and defeats the purpose of calling it Krav Maga. Because without the Krav Maga specifics (few of them as there are) its just basic self-defense techniques you can learn anywhere.
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I haven't trained in it but have watched a great many demos. I was seriously considering it at one point. And from what I have learned, if its real Israeli Krav Maga, its a combative. The opponent has a knife, neutralize the knife wielding arm, take the knife, kill him with it. Its designed to be used in combat, hence the title.

Anything else is just a watered down verson and defeats the purpose of calling it Krav Maga. Because without the Krav Maga specifics (few of them as there are) its just basic self-defense techniques you can learn anywhere.
you learn the same suff in civilian training just minus the kill shot and replace it with a crippling shot.
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you learn the same suff in civilian training just minus the kill shot and replace it with a crippling shot.
That's another thing I dislike about a lot of self-defense training. They seem to think everyone is a violent killer. I know for a fact I will never go for the crippling shot. I hesitate even to go for the knockdown sometimes.

I present the situation as I see it like this:

You're walking out of a bar, some drunk comes up to you and starts talking smack, and says he want to fight. Are you going to cripple him by shattering his knee or elbow, or are you going to land a surgical punch, shove his stumbly ass over with a leg sweep and get the hell out of there?

Another situation:

Some guy pulls a knife in an alley in an attempt to rob you. 1. If you just walked into an alley, there's an exit right behind you. He's not gonna stab you in front of thirty people on a sidewalk in a metropolitan area! 2. If he came up behind you, he's standing ten feet away with a knife. There's another exit from the alley at the other end. Run.

If the same man pulled a gun. Its over, thanks for the Krav Maga, but I'm going to go ahead and give him my money so I don't die thank you very much.


The overall theme is that while Krav Maga may have its potential benefits, its all very situational. And if your balls are so big you stand with a guy wielding a knife when you CAN run away, you deserve to be stabbed. The best techniques are the universal techniques. Surgical jab punch, leg sweep is pretty univeral.
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That's another thing I dislike about a lot of self-defense training. They seem to think everyone is a violent killer. I know for a fact I will never go for the crippling shot. I hesitate even to go for the knockdown sometimes.

I present the situation as I see it like this:

You're walking out of a bar, some drunk comes up to you and starts talking smack, and says he want to fight. Are you going to cripple him by shattering his knee or elbow, or are you going to land a surgical punch, shove his stumbly ass over with a leg sweep and get the hell out of there?

Another situation:

Some guy pulls a knife in an alley in an attempt to rob you. 1. If you just walked into an alley, there's an exit right behind you. He's not gonna stab you in front of thirty people on a sidewalk in a metropolitan area! 2. If he came up behind you, he's standing ten feet away with a knife. There's another exit from the alley at the other end. Run.

If the same man pulled a gun. Its over, thanks for the Krav Maga, but I'm going to go ahead and give him my money so I don't die thank you very much.


The overall theme is that while Krav Maga may have its potential benefits, its all very situational. And if your balls are so big you stand with a guy wielding a knife when you CAN run away, you deserve to be stabbed. The best techniques are the universal techniques. Surgical jab punch, leg sweep is pretty univeral.
fighting is a last resort always in a self defence situation and yeah if a guy pulls a gun its best to just give him your money. always run get away and avoid a fight if you can but if that drunk does attack me I am going to take him out and do what i need to insure my safty and the safty of those around me. if that means kneeing him in the head or bashing his knee then that what i have to do. However you just have to know when to use those moves or not. if its just a fight at the begining then you dont but if it turns in to something more serious then you do what you have to.

also we teach the beginers mostly just strait punches hammer fist basic ground work knees push kick front kick and snap front kick.
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Well they teach krav where I train they teach allot of combative not designed to kill but just to neutralize. Just wondeing have you ever watched or trained in krav?
Have you? I'm a little unclear on if you've actually trained in the system or teach it or just observed a class or two or what exactly.

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also we teach the beginers mostly just strait punches hammer fist basic ground work knees push kick front kick and snap front kick.
So far your basics seem to be nothing that couldn't be learned in almost any other martial art. Could you please expand?
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fighting is a last resort always in a self defence situation and yeah if a guy pulls a gun its best to just give him your money. always run get away and avoid a fight if you can but if that drunk does attack me I am going to take him out and do what i need to insure my safty and the safty of those around me. if that means kneeing him in the head or bashing his knee then that what i have to do. However you just have to know when to use those moves or not. if its just a fight at the begining then you dont but if it turns in to something more serious then you do what you have to.

also we teach the beginers mostly just strait punches hammer fist basic ground work knees push kick front kick and snap front kick.
Okay I'll address it as a whole, rather than bold half of it.

Firstly: Why would you break some drunken jackass who's equilibrium is so percocked he can't even stand up straight. Let him miss for thirty seconds, gas, and then either leave, or front thrust him in the chest and dip. There's no need to knee someone in the face when you're both standing, or kick him in the knee just to f*ck him up. I'm a firm believe in...human decency and maybe a little empathy, and I for one am disgusted by the concept of a sober gentleman beaing the snot out of a drunk just to get his rocks off. You're sober, you can get away with total ease, do it!

Secondly: So in your "Krav Maga" class you teach basic self-defense techniques. Everything you listed you can learn in weekend self defense class. Every single Martial Art on the planet (excluding the obvious) teach those same moves. What makes it Krav Maga?
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