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**americanfighter** · 09-01-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirrelfighter

Okay I'll address it as a whole, rather than bold half of it.

Firstly: Why would you break some drunken jackass who's equilibrium is so percocked he can't even stand up straight. Let him miss for thirty seconds, gas, and then either leave, or front thrust him in the chest and dip. There's no need to knee someone in the face when you're both standing, or kick him in the knee just to f*ck him up. I'm a firm believe in...human decency and maybe a little empathy, and I for one am disgusted by the concept of a sober gentleman beaing the snot out of a drunk just to get his rocks off. You're sober, you can get away with total ease, do it!

Secondly: So in your "Krav Maga" class you teach basic self-defense techniques. Everything you listed you can learn in weekend self defense class. Every single Martial Art on the planet (excluding the obvious) teach those same moves. What makes it Krav Maga?

firstly: The point is street fighting is a last resort but if you don't have a choice you do what you have to do

secondly: there are different levels of krav beginner intermedia advanced. beginners learn basic punches hammer fist front kicks knees stance movement basic ground defense and up kicks standing up stuff like that while going through tough training to get people in to shape. these moves are just for the beginner class.

what makes it krav comes in the latter levels where its more of a hybrid style drawing from karate wrestling judo bjj MT and combatives.

**Squirrelfighter** · 09-01-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by americanfighter

firstly: The point is street fighting is a last resort but if you don't have a choice you do what you have to do

secondly: there are different levels of krav beginner intermedia advanced. beginners learn basic punches hammer fist front kicks knees stance movement basic ground defense and up kicks standing up stuff like that while going through tough training to get people in to shape. these moves are just for the beginner class.

what makes it krav comes in the latter levels where its more of a hybrid style drawing from karate wrestling judo bjj MT and combatives.

First part. You're completely right you do what you have to do. However 12-6ing someone's brainstem or stomping on their face/genitalia is never ever "what you have to do" its unnecessary violence that does nothing but get the user some jollies. If they're in a position where you can stomp them, you should be running, if you're being taken down(i.e. brainstem shot) you can sprawl and kneestrike. Striking the thyroid/cricoid cartilage or the nasal or slap kicking the groin are far simpler techniques and do not have the potential for manslaughter, while being equally effective. That was the point of this portion of our disagreement("crippling shots").

Second part: Lost cause. You've invoked the "hybrid system" clause.

**americanfighter** · 09-01-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirrelfighter

First part. You're completely right you do what you have to do. However 12-6ing someone's brainstem or stomping on their face/genitalia is never ever "what you have to do" its unnecessary violence that does nothing but get the user some jollies. If they're in a position where you can stomp them, you should be running, if you're being taken down(i.e. brainstem shot) you can sprawl and kneestrike. Striking the thyroid/cricoid cartilage or the nasal or slap kicking the groin are far simpler techniques and do not have the potential for manslaughter, while being equally effective. That was the point of this portion of our disagreement("crippling shots").

Second part: Lost cause. You've invoked the "hybrid system" clause.

first part is a matter of philosophy i guess. as i said before the civilian style is less lethal. i never said anything about 12-6ing someone's brainstem. the stuff you see on youtube and the internet is not what you get in a training gym.

why is the hybrid system a lost clause

**Squirrelfighter** · 09-02-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by americanfighter

first part is a matter of philosophy i guess. as i said before the civilian style is less lethal. i never said anything about 12-6ing someone's brainstem. the stuff you see on youtube and the internet is not what you get in a training gym.

why is the hybrid system a lost clause

Philosophy is the difference. The brainstem was just another example of overkill. Its not necessary.

The term hybrid system is thrown around so much describing Krav Maga. When its no more of a "hybrid system" than anything else.

Krav Maga was created by a Czechoslovakian teaching Jews how to protect themselves from the Nazi's during WWII. He was a trained in Greco and Boxing. He emigrated to the British State of Palastine (Israel) after the war ended. He taught Krav Maga there before it eventually became militarized and became the military combative of the Israeli Army.

If all something needs to be called a hybrid system is wrestling and boxing, that's pretty thin man, and sullies the meaning of the term "Hybrid" system.

LivingItUp · 07-10-2012, 04:51 PM

They're all useful but if you don't train regularly and properly they're all basically useless. Some are harder to grasp in terms of self defense than others. MMA is good because you can mix it up and you will have skills in all areas of fighting that some random asshole who wants to bash your head in most likely wont have that will give you distinct advantage. The list goes on, they're basically all great ways of defending yourself. But if your opponent is skilled too and trained harder than you, you will probably lose.

**Purgetheweak** · 07-10-2012, 05:05 PM

My bjj professor said it best; it isn't worth going to jail, because even if you win, that's what could happen. If the situation can't be defused verbally, you do enough to stop the attacker from posing a threat.
You don't ******* kill them or start breaking limbs, and frankly, the situation should he avoided, your krav maga won't do shit if the guy has a gun, or even a knife. You can practice all you want in the gym, but a desperate man with a blade is lethal.

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LivingItUp · 07-10-2012, 05:05 PM

Oh and another thing...... when I go to a bar I'm looking for beer and women, what in god's name is going on in your mind ?

and... a... "street skirmish?" I'm not even going to say anything....

my advice is practice for the right reasons, because if a bar fight and a street skirmish are all you're interested in then you have a long way to go before you even start training properly.

Correct and regular, hard training will give you what you want. So get a list of all the styles and do some research, check out your dojos and gyms and try to be loyal to the one you choose. I just hope you find a better reason to justify doing it along the way.

There's no superior style just superior martial artists.