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luger0 07-23-2010 01:44 PM

How quick should you be able to throw a roundhouse?
 
So far in my training I have hit 43-seconds for 25 roundhouse-strikes as a set.

Would it be possible for the brain to function quicker than 1.5 seconds enough to the point to throw the same amount in a 36-second period of time?

I know end the end if you can throw more out there, there will be a greater chance of damage.

But how fast is too fast?

coldcall420 07-23-2010 03:55 PM

We talkin kicks or punches???:confused02: More strikes equal more damage if the strikes are consistant, do not sacrafice the power, however the speed is what makes the difference, and you can def train to increase that speed, especially in the small increment you mentioned..just dont lose any power off the strike....I am assuming kicks...FTR

Saenchai 07-23-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldcall420 (Post 1229942)
We talkin kicks or punches???:confused02:

title: How quick should you be able to throw a roundhouse?


i don't think there's such a thing as roundhouse punch ... or is it?



on topic: i don't know if that's what you're looking for but check THIS out.

coldcall420 07-24-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saenchai (Post 1230035)
title: How quick should you be able to throw a roundhouse?


i don't think there's such a thing as roundhouse punch ... or is it?



on topic: i don't know if that's what you're looking for but check THIS out.

Roundhouse punches are also strikes, they may be utilized in certain Arts, you might call it a hook or cross. It's semantics.....why did you write bigger??? Oh, I got it....:sarcastic12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2WKOowx1qk&NR=1

Squirrelfighter 07-24-2010 05:57 PM

Its absolutely physically possible to do it with consistant training. I don't question whether or not a lot of the power would be lost. High speed means less power.

Look at the difference between a Muay Thai roundhouse and a Karate roundhouse. In the Thai roundhouse, there's a prepartory motion that aligns the hips accordingly and a powerful rotational strike, in the Karate style there is no prepatory motion, the hips, feet, truck, all rotate as one. This motion(Karate style) snaps the kick almost 25% faster than the Thai style. However the Thai style roundhouse hit with almost 20% more power than the Karate style. It should also be noted one strike was with the shin(Thai), the other the instep(Karate), which also limits power. This was on an episide if MMA Live on ESPN 2 just before Machida vs Rua 2, I can't find the damn vid on Youtube though!

For me repitition drills have always been about endurance more than power. Not to say I don't use repition to develop power, its just more of a low deliberate repitition to understand balance, momentum, body mechanics, etc. and a rapid snap of each individual kick.

Honestly, there's only two situations where fast is too fast, this being where the kick is thrown with such vigor and speed that balance is compromised. Because if you lose balance, as I'm sure you know, you lose almost all power. The other being that you're kicking too fast too repetedly too often without proper recovery, which can damage muscle tissues, tendons, ligaments and bones. But the second situation is more of a rarity that can only be developed over a long period of time.

AmdM 07-24-2010 06:27 PM

Here you have it...

I found it dubious as Vera is trained in the Muay thai rather than Karate, so that should affcet the results!


luger0 07-25-2010 02:05 AM

Hey guys, this is good stuff all around.

I would have thought it was known I was talking about a leg-strike.

I am using the muy-thai version of the round-house.

I enjoy going at 1/8th speed or slower for form conditioning, I'll got at 3/4th speed for power striking and for volume I got at 100%.

There are a few things I've witnessed so far: even at form conditioning the bag will move a bit.

For the power striking there is as much or equivalent travel for the bag as with the volume striking.

Now with the Volume striking the bag will fly around making it a bit tougher to time the strikes for flush-contact.

If your power is not there in volume striking why does the bag fly around as much or more than when you go for a power-strike?

For what I utilize, the strikes I am talking about will have a point of contact where the shin meets the ankle and will strike the bag from low abdomen to high abdomen.

The point of this amount of volume is for as one guy suggested a stick and strike technique. Throw a strike or two then dart out of the opponent's range and use it for shock.

coldcall420 07-25-2010 02:11 AM

Just have someone hold the bag, Karate practitioners call them roundhouse punches as well so it depends on who you ask....:thumbsup:

luger0 07-25-2010 02:55 AM

@ Squirrelfighter

I would use those snapping roundhouse-strikes (leg) if I were using my left-leg for the strike.

I am not sure why it is right now, but it feels more natural to throw a snapping left-roundhouse than trying to pull off a snapping right.

Now it is applicable to a power left-roundhouse it just isn't happening but I can throw as hard as I want with my right and there's nothing to it.

I've heard people say cross-train the legs....but would it be futile when you've got a good feeling going, in the sense you could lead with a snapping left and go for heavy right roundhouse into the body or head?

For my right-leg roundhouses there is no snap unless I push off with the shin on contact which I doubt I do.

@ coldcall420

I am lucky to have a partner give me some help once or twice a week with holding the bag. There is only one problem with that though...Which is more important timing your strikes or being able to volley off the strikes?

I find when I use the aid of the partner I tend to throw heavy roundhouse strikes with my legs and not go for the speed-striking.

Squirrelfighter 07-25-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AmdM (Post 1230536)
Here you have it...

I found it dubious as Vera is trained in the Muay thai rather than Karate, so that should affcet the results!


Thanks. I got the percentages backwards, and I question Vera's logic in a couple areas...

I've practiced Karate, and the biggest difference between a "Karate kick" and a "Muay Thai kick" concerning roundhouses, isn't the point of contact, it the set up.

In the Karate style presented, the kicks come straight from the stance, there is no preemption because the lead foot rotates with the hips and core all at once. With the Muay Thai style presented, there is a lead step and foot rotation before the kick, this puts added tension on the hips/pelvis/tendons/muscles involved in the kick, which creates more acceleration when the kick is thrown thus transfering more kinetic energy to the target, its pretty much basic physics.


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