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MT classes teach and practice the spin recover after a missed kick. Thats the big diff between a karate kick and a MT kick. The karate kick is done with the leg powering the kick and MT is done with the rotation of the front leg, hips and torso to whip the leg. This may seem inefficient, however the MT kick is potentially devastating and when done correctly no can defend.
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MT classes teach and practice the spin recover after a missed kick. Thats the big diff between a karate kick and a MT kick. The karate kick is done with the leg powering the kick and MT is done with the rotation of the front leg, hips and torso to whip the leg. This may seem inefficient, however the MT kick is potentially devastating and when done correctly no can defend.
Bold 1: Actually the biggest difference is the set up. With the "Karate Style" the front foot rotates at the same time the torso/pelvis. While with the "Muay Thai Style" The foot is rotated in advance, that is where the added power comes from. When the foot is able to plant in advance, there can be a more predominant weight shift behind the kick instead of as part of the entire motion. And its not inefficient at all, as you implied, its actually a more efficent way to transfer energy, however its slower and because of the additional weight in the kick, and in some cases the body is forced to spin to bleed of the excess the leg muscles cannot counter. These are cases where this style is flawed.

Bold 2: That's not Muay Thai, its basic roundhouse kick form.



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Let's not bother getting into 'this is how this is different from that' or 'this is why this is better than that'. The question is about the issue a Thai boxer is having when he misses his kick. If the art is teaching him to spin around to bleed off the excess energy, that's one thing and that's fine. But the problem is that he's throwing missing kicks so close together that he's getting dizzy, which is where the real danger lies. It's one thing to spin around, another to get unfocused or offbalance.

Sounds to me like the kicks just need to be played more when it's a sure thing, and less as a, "eh, why not?" type of thing. Thoughts?

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Bold 1: Actually the biggest difference is the set up. With the "Karate Style" the front foot rotates at the same time the torso/pelvis. While with the "Muay Thai Style" The foot is rotated in advance, that is where the added power comes from. When the foot is able to plant in advance, there can be a more predominant weight shift behind the kick instead of as part of the entire motion. And its not inefficient at all, as you implied, its actually a more efficent way to transfer energy, however its slower and because of the additional weight in the kick, and in some cases the body is forced to spin to bleed of the excess the leg muscles cannot counter. These are cases where this style is flawed.

Bold 2: That's not Muay Thai, its basic roundhouse kick form.
Do you have any actual MT experience?
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Do you have any actual MT experience?
Do you mean have I observed it and trained in it? Or do you mean competed in it?

#1. Yes.
#2. No.

Also I have the same level of training in Shotokan Karate in case that was your next question.



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Do you mean have I observed it and trained in it? Or do you mean competed in it?

#1. Yes.
#2. No.

Also I have the same level of training in Shotokan Karate in case that was your next question.
You should know then Karate kicks are derived partially from the thigh and some following rotation. MT is derived from rotating the front foot, hips and torso (in that order) whipping the leg instead of pushing it with the thigh muscle.

Am I taking crazy pills here? Or is this guy trolling me?
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You should know then Karate kicks are derived partially from the thigh and some following rotation. MT is derived from rotating the front foot, hips and torso (in that order) whipping the leg instead of pushing it with the thigh muscle.

Am I taking crazy pills here? Or is this guy trolling me?
What are you talking about? Rotation of the lead foot is proper roundhouse kick form, regardless of the Art, so is rotation of the pelvis/trunk. Its not at all MT specific.

Are you kidding me? I'm trolling because I understand that the foot rotation is not MT specific? How does that work?



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What are you talking about? Rotation of the lead foot is proper roundhouse kick form, regardless of the Art, so is rotation of the pelvis/trunk. Its not at all MT specific.

Are you kidding me? I'm trolling because I understand that the foot rotation is not MT specific? How does that work?
I feel like your splitting hairs over something I said that wasn't incorrect.
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I feel like your splitting hairs over something I said that wasn't incorrect.
Huh?

You said in the "Karate Style" you don't rotate your foot, but did in the "Muay Thai Style" you did.

I said you do rotate the foot, since you know, its physiologically impossible to throw a roundhouse kick properly without rotating the foot.

Sounds like polar opposites, not split hairs...



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instead of spinning, try planting your foot about 90 degrees through the spin, ending up with that foot in front, then lift it up so your knee/shin is covering your stomach and put your hands up to cover your face and spin back into your original stance, hopefully it'll get rid of some of the dizziness.
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