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View Poll Results: Which is the most effective form of Striking?
Muay Thai/Kickboxing 16 61.54%
Krav Maga 0 0%
Boxing 5 19.23%
Wing Chun 0 0%
Kung Fu 1 3.85%
Jeet Kune Do 0 0%
Capoeira 0 0%
Karate 0 0%
Taekwondo 0 0%
Other - please state in your post. 4 15.38%
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post #11 of 34 (permalink) Old 12-06-2010, 01:37 PM
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There is not a more effective striking, because style has a better movement to counter, if you jab they can round house, if you round house they can come with a right so it depends on the persons ability and timing.
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This probably isn't the best striking:



On the other hand, the miss might also just be due to the excellent defensive work by Mr. Jack Frost - I'm not quite sure yet.
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I'm also inclined to say Dutch Muay Thai. Traditional Muay Thai, though awesome for pure kickboxing, is too slow and plodding for MMA. It's just asking to get taken down or swarmed with punches. Dutch MT, on the other hand, has most of the strengths of traditional MT, but with more boxing-influenced footwork and punching. Think Martin Kampmann.

Pure boxing is pretty sweet too. Footwork, head movement, feints, and punching power -- hard to go wrong with that! (You know, unless you get dead-legged.)

I'm also partial to Sanda, though my opinion might be biased as a practitioner. The kick-catch takedowns are perfectly suited to MMA, as they have a tendency to 'disarm' your opponents in that they'll be hesitant to throw kicks at you for fear of getting dumped on their heads. When that happens, it's that much easier to land your own kicks. Assuming that you have a strong ground game, I'd argue that Sanda is a better striking art for MMA than Muay Thai. But at the highest levels, Muay Thai is (IMO) the better striking art.

Though this is off topic, I'd like to share my thoughts on the whole "eye gouges, groin shots, throat strikes, etc" thing... That's a really cheap excuse for ineffectiveness that a lot of bad TMA guys use.

Fact 1: Anyone can do most of those things, purely on instinct. It's not exclusive to Krav MAGA or Kung Fu

Fact 2: The only type of training tha REALLY matters in the end is alive training (ie: with resistance), such as sparring or non-compliant drilling. People don't train eye-gouges or throat shots in this manner, so talk of those techniques is all hypothetical.

Besides, if you can't land a normal strike on that person, thinking that you could land a shot to a smaller area like the throat or eyes is absurd. These things can turn the tide against a relatively even opponent, can overwhelm an inferior opponent, and/or are great sucker shots, but they won't make up for a significant disparity in skill.

Imagine the best fighter or martial artist you know... Do you think an untrained street fighter could defeat them if the street fighter could use dirty tactics and your chosen martial artist couldn't? If so, find a new idol, because (barring fluke) that shouldn't happen.

In closing, dirty tactics are not a magic button.

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woah... kin... right on

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i think kickboxing is probably the best but i just kick kung leee style like side push kicks and side head kicks to keep people away and hurt, along with my boxing and my clinching
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i think kickboxing is probably the best but i just kick cung lee style like side push kicks and side head kicks to keep people away and hurt, along with my boxing and my clinching
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Though this is off topic, I'd like to share my thoughts on the whole "eye gouges, groin shots, throat strikes, etc" thing... That's a really cheap excuse for ineffectiveness that a lot of bad TMA guys use.

Fact 1: Anyone can do most of those things, purely on instinct. It's not exclusive to Krav MAGA or Kung Fu

Fact 2: The only type of training tha REALLY matters in the end is alive training (ie: with resistance), such as sparring or non-compliant drilling. People don't train eye-gouges or throat shots in this manner, so talk of those techniques is all hypothetical.

Besides, if you can't land a normal strike on that person, thinking that you could land a shot to a smaller area like the throat or eyes is absurd. These things can turn the tide against a relatively even opponent, can overwhelm an inferior opponent, and/or are great sucker shots, but they won't make up for a significant disparity in skill.

Imagine the best fighter or martial artist you know... Do you think an untrained street fighter could defeat them if the street fighter could use dirty tactics and your chosen martial artist couldn't? If so, find a new idol, because (barring fluke) that shouldn't happen.

In closing, dirty tactics are not a magic button.
I figured I should reply to this, since I think I was the only person who referenced groin, throat, and eye strikes.

A couple things:

1. Yeah you can do some of those things, like groin strikes on instinct. However, I call bullsh-t on being able to perform accurate throat strikes without disciplined training.

2. Live training is the best. Correct. While throat strikes cannot easily be trained full contact (if You'd like to live) eye gouges can. I once read either an article, or an answer on Yahoo, can't remember which. About training eye gouges full contact. It was done with simple swimming goggles, and finger paint. While it's impossible to perform groin strikes and throat strikes on a live person, there are human surrogates that replecate the anatomy rather well. They work along the same context as a heavy bag. Unless you think those don't develop applicable technique?

3. It is possible to win in 8/10 situations without the use of what you coin "dirty" techniques (There's no such thing as dirty techniques outside the gym/cage. Thinking there are is base foolishness). However, in those 2/10situations. Or for a person of inferior bulk/strength, these techniques which you coin as "dirty tactics" are in fact the great equalizer. As said before, the sickest overhand in the land doesn't matter if your groin's been popped, or your throat's been closed. It doesn't matter how much punching power you have if you're on wobbly legs, or can't breath.



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I vote for whatever it is leonard garcia does.

kidding.

I didn't know how to vote because I wish you had separated MT and kickboxing. While the latter owes it's origins and power kicks to the former. American kickboxing has incorporated enough boxing. karate, and good ol' american know how that I (just me personally) believe it has grown more comprehensive and superior to MT.

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3. It is possible to win in 8/10 situations without the use of what you coin "dirty" techniques (There's no such thing as dirty techniques outside the gym/cage. Thinking there are is base foolishness). However, in those 2/10situations. Or for a person of inferior bulk/strength, these techniques which you coin as "dirty tactics" are in fact the great equalizer. As said before, the sickest overhand in the land doesn't matter if your groin's been popped, or your throat's been closed. It doesn't matter how much punching power you have if you're on wobbly legs, or can't breath.
i think a part of his post you got away from were their effectiveness. i can kick someone in the groin... how easily you ask? as easy as a KO head or leg kick with equal effectiveness. I can attack the throat as well, how easy you ask? easy as landing a hook flush with knockout power behind it.

on the ground/clinch "dirty" moves are 10 times more effective than while standing in range.


edit: i take that back, it'd be quite a bit harder to attack the throat than land that hook. unless i caught them totally off guard, then it would be about the same.



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i think a part of his post you got away from were their effectiveness. i can kick someone in the groin... how easily you ask? as easy as a KO head or leg kick with equal effectiveness. I can attack the throat as well, how easy you ask? easy as landing a hook flush with knockout power behind it.

on the ground/clinch "dirty" moves are 10 times more effective than while standing in range.
I can agree with the leg kick vs groin kick aspect, even though against someone who isn't aligned, its not a roundhouse kick, its a front kick. But the second part is bull.

It takes a fraction of the force to collapse the windpipe vs KOing someone. There are no bones to disperse the energy, there's no meat to absorb the impact. Strike just above the Cricoid Cartillage and you are striking directly into the windpipe. With a flush hook. There's no guarantee of a KO. With a strike to the windpipe. A 60 year old woman could cut off oxygen flow, even temporarily, and activate the gag reflex.

I can again agree that they both have the same probability of landing. However, the throat strike is almost guaranteed to be DAMAGING. Where as a hook punch that lands flush has the potential to KO, but if it doesn't hit with that kind of power, it'll just hurt. And that's the big difference in a street fight (under the conditions where running is not an option). Damage vs Pain.



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