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Old 03-29-2011, 10:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Double jab is a fine tool. I wouldn't use chain punches in a situation where I usually use the jab.

Wing Chun as a whole art is misunderstood in my eyes, because most people think fighting=fighting, which is not the case. Circumstances of a fight situation determine the tools you need in the specific fight. Wing Chun is not a fighting art to showcase that you are the stronger fighter like MMA. It's not designed to stay in the fight, but as a defensive art to get away from a threat. So it has more legitimation as a women's self defense as it was originally developped for that purpose.
I think a lot of people don't even know the lineage of the Art. Or the concept behind it. Especially in the case of a forum dedicated to MMA (not blanketing everyone, or fingering anyone specific). I've been in a buncha arguments that attest to that fact.

I think its more viable as a self defense Art, but only slightly. I'm a big time traditionalist, but Wing Chun just doesn't impress me. But I figure, to each their own.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:52 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Im guessing you mean my post on traditional martial arts? I know i dont know a lot about them I admit

But I agree wing chun doesn't impress me either. But the vid kinda reminds me of the early Gracie propaganda vids.
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I think a lot of people don't even know the lineage of the Art. Or the concept behind it. Especially in the case of a forum dedicated to MMA (not blanketing everyone, or fingering anyone specific).
True. I've spent the last couple of years in a martial arts forum where everyone was actually a practitioner and there was a big knowledge exchange between the sub-forums of the different styles. So I somehow had to get used to that here people are rather spectators than practitioners and mainly interested in MMA only.

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But the vid kinda reminds me of the early Gracie propaganda vids.
Yes, Gracie propaganda was also somewhat overselfconfident, but at least they proved and still prove their style in open competitions in contrast to the Wing Chunners, where in particular the EWTO made some big claims, but never gave proof.

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Old 08-12-2011, 06:26 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hey bringing up an old thread here.
I have recently been practicing the vertical fist especially on my right straight. I have found its actually a lot quicker that turning the fist. And it generates quite a lot of power.
I think that in a street confrontation a straight vertical fist right would be more effective because of the speed.
This is all my opinion though im not an expert by any means.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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What makes the turned over fist often superior to a vert fist, to me, is that it's a lot easier to protect yourself with the turned over fist. The shoulder seems to more naturally come up (or come up on its own) to protect that side of the jaw/face. Whereas with a vertical fist, the shoulder doesn't really come up for protection, and even if you purposely bring it up, it just feels unatural. At least that's how it comes off for me, from how I was taught the vert fist (which was to fire it off almost like a shovel hook, but with a straightening/lengthening of the arm).

I would guess that's not the case for everyone, and I'm not saying you're wrong - that's just my perspective on it, based off my training/what I've seen.
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Old 08-13-2011, 07:29 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I agree with you. It doesnt offer that shoulder protection. But I played around with it for a bit and instead of throwing it like a slight shovel just throw it perfectly straight.
After a bit of playing around my shoulder seems to be just where I want it.
So its kind of a mix between boxing and JKD.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:07 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Well technically JKD is not a system as much as a philosophy. Bruce was comfortable in his skill set and what worked for him, and he always encouraged others to do the same. Whether it be Kung Fu, Muay Thai or Karate..JKD encourages one to find the most effective technique for the given situation. If your push kick is more effective (due to your reach), then say a lunging punch...then use it. Bruce was bothered by the fact that JKD may become stylized and systematic and hence always referred to it as a philosophy.
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