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EastPhilly · 05-11-2007, 03:12 PM

ROSS TRAINING

**dubya** · 05-11-2007, 03:14 PM

You have a point but it doesn't apply to me, it would if I were trying to be the strongest man in the world, although that is not my goal. You don't have to be the strongest the be a good fighter and that is my goal.

EastPhilly · 05-11-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dubya

You have a point but it doesn't apply to me, it would if I were trying to be the strongest man in the world, although that is not my goal. You don't have to be the strongest the be a good fighter and that is my goal.

true.

SgtSixpack · 05-11-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wukkadb

http://www.criticalbench.com/exercis...ises-traps.gif

As you can see, they are NOT apart of your shoulders. Common misconception, no worries. And you WILL get stronger even without proper nutrition and sleep, obviously those things are both very important but you can have the best diet in the world and the best sleep cycles in the world but if you don't DO ANY TRAINING, you will never get bigger/stronger, seems kinda weird training is only 20% to you, those 8 years must have been very beneficial

If u give people a program and they stick to it thinking its straight from god, it will cause problems. You have to adjust what you do to suit your strengths and weaknesses and also to prevent injury.

About the traps, its a shoulder movement. You will use your traps doing a military press. If you do shrugs when standing you will be exercising a muscle which is part of the compound group of muscles which together can perform a behind the neck press or military press.

http://www.criticalbench.com/exercis...ises-traps.gif
That is a stupid picture because the guy has no neck, its all traps. Have u seen Matt Huges' neck? Its thick and as wide as his head. Doing behind the neck press will make your neck thick. I have personal experience of this. Which is why I say start with a program but use it as a guide, not law. Change it if you see that you are overdeveloping one muscle group at the expence of another.

If u knew what you were talking about, you would see that posting a workout routine for everyone it wont be suited to everyone. You should state its a guide and to change it if the results are not what you wanted.

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Originally Posted by Wukkadb

you can have the best diet in the world and the best sleep cycles in the world but if you don't DO ANY TRAINING, you will never get bigger/stronger

Only a moron would write such drivel. If u dont eat you will die. If u dont sleep you wont get stronger cause its when sleeping you muscles repair themselves. Also if u dont eat, your body will canabalize (read catabolic) your muscles for energy. Just look at anorexia sufferes and concentration camp prisoners, they lose muscle mass to the extreme.

Bodybuilding.com - Joey Rodrigues - Shoulder Training 101.
Oh look, what is this guy doing? Shrugs after doing shoulder workout, how odd?

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"DUMBBELL SHRUGS

Dumbbell shrugs develop the trapezius muscles and add mass and density to the trapezius."

Lol, my point is proven I believe.

**wukkadb** · 05-11-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dubya

You have a point but it doesn't apply to me, it would if I were trying to be the strongest man in the world, although that is not my goal. You don't have to be the strongest the be a good fighter and that is my goal.

Strength isn't a concern of yours? This topic is about STRENGTH TRAINING, not about being a complete fighter. This post is for people who want to get stronger and apply it to fighting.

And to SgtSixpack below me, the traps are not part of your shoulders, theyre part of your back. The shoulder is divided into 3 heads, Also, how are you comparing a military press and a shrug? One involves pressing while one involves pulling, completely different exercises!

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/Im...scle-chart.jpg
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/images/ex_shoulers.gif

You're wrong.

**dubya** · 05-11-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wukkadb

Strength isn't a concern of yours? This topic is about STRENGTH TRAINING, not about being a complete fighter. This post is for people who want to get stronger and apply it to fighting.

It is a concern although I can still gain strength by doing what Im doing, I don't need strongest man in the world strength though, just enough to put knowledge and skill to use...

**wukkadb** · 05-11-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dubya

It is a concern although I can still gain strength by doing what Im doing, I don't need strongest man in the world strength though, just enough to put knowledge and skill to use...

If you say so, but when you get to the top competition of MMA, everybody is going to have the same technique and skill; strength and conditioning become very important

SgtSixpack · 05-11-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wukkadb

Strength isn't a concern of yours? This topic is about STRENGTH TRAINING, not about being a complete fighter. This post is for people who want to get stronger and apply it to fighting.

And to SgtSixpack below me, the traps are not part of your shoulders, theyre part of your back. The shoulder is divided into 3 heads, Also, how are you comparing a military press and a shrug? One involves pressing while one involves pulling, completely different exercises!

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/Im...scle-chart.jpg
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/images/ex_shoulers.gif

You're wrong.

You really cant read straight can u? I said its used in a compound exercise for the shoulders (the most basic shoulder exercise), the behind the neck press or military press; hence almost every person making a program will include shrugs with the shoulder workout NOT the back! Just look at the links I provided.

SgtSixpack · 05-11-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wukkadb

If you say so, but when you get to the top competition of MMA, everybody is going to have the same technique and skill; strength and conditioning become very important

More rubbish, so a MMA fighter with a wrestling and kickboxing background (ala Chuck Liddel) will have the same level of skills as a BBJ fighter/boxing (Vitor Belfort).

SgtSixpack · 05-11-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtSixpack

ATG squads? Bodybuilders stopped doing this in the 70s because it is a great way to ruin you knees (not smart if you have to ground fight in MMA).

You didnt defend this statement.

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Originally Posted by SgtSixpack

Shrugs on a pull day and military press on a press day? Why they are both shoulder movements?

I didnt say "traps" are shoulders, "traps" are "traps" and deltoids are deltoids; but the basic shoulder exercise uses traps so thats why everyone and his dog does shrugs on a shoulder day. Not that Shrugs are an essential exercise. I dont do them because by the time u done bicepts you have worked your traps. When doing bench you use your front detoids. When doing back exercises you work you rear delts alot.

At one point in my training I found I was overtraining my front deltoids because they were hurting when I did bicepts or went for a jog.

One program does not fit all gym users.

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