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post #21 of 76 (permalink) Old 05-11-2007, 10:30 PM Thread Starter
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You didnt defend this statement.


I didnt say "traps" are shoulders, "traps" are "traps" and deltoids are deltoids; but the basic shoulder exercise uses traps so thats why everyone and his dog does shrugs on a shoulder day. Not that Shrugs are an essential exercise. I dont do them because by the time u done bicepts you have worked your traps. When doing bench you use your front detoids. When doing back exercises you work you rear delts alot.

At one point in my training I found I was overtraining my front deltoids because they were hurting when I did bicepts or went for a jog.

One program does not fit all gym users.

Only bodybuilders have a "shoulder" day so I could care less what they do. I break my workouts into a PULL day, a PRESS day, and a SQUAT day, I am looking to get strong, not look good in front of the mirror and have a small *****. As far as ATG Squats go, you got it backwards, ATG squats are actually better for your knees than parallel because it is a full compound movement, you'd know this if you took any physiology class.

"In a properly-positioned full-depth squat (hips below the knees), tension in the hamstrings balances the forces on the knee joint by opposing the force of the quadriceps. If the depth of the squat is not sufficient to generate this hamstring tension, the tension of the quadriceps on the knee is disproportionately great, resulting in potentially damaging shear force" -taken from Nutrition, Fitness, Athletics, Health, Longevity, Paleo, Intermittent Fasting - The Performance Menu ,article 15.


I seriously can't believe people like you can look at all the information I have provided and still think you're right. Then again, your name is 'SgtSixPack'




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ATG squats puts all the weight onto the knee joint. When u see a strongman event how does he lift the atlas stones? With a parallel squad or ATG squats. With a parallel squat u use your glutimus maximum (your ass) which is the largest muscle in your body.

Why would u recommend doing shrugs and not bicepts or tricepts?

You are quite stuborn even when u know you are wrong. I hope u dont think that if u get armbarred then your stuborness will stop you arm getting broken.

You are from San Diego and have an avtar of a samuri, wow. What do you know about Samuri have u ever seen one IRL? Your Nick looks like you accidentatly mashed the keyboard.

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Only bodybuilders have a "shoulder" day so I could care less what they do. I break my workouts into a PULL day, a PRESS day, and a SQUAT day,
You routine is retarded. There isnt a thing as a pull, press, squat day because u made it up.

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You really cant read straight can u? I said its used in a compound exercise for the shoulders (the most basic shoulder exercise), the behind the neck press or military press; hence almost every person making a program will include shrugs with the shoulder workout NOT the back! Just look at the links I provided.
On your press day you are doing a shoulder press so it makes it retarded you do shrugs on your pull day. You are using your traps on both pull and press day. The idea of a program is to work groups of muscles together and then do a different group of muscles together. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

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You routine is retarded. There isnt a thing as a pull, press, squat day because u made it up.



On your press day you are doing a shoulder press so it makes it retarded you do shrugs on your pull day. You are using your traps on both pull and press day. The idea of a program is to work groups of muscles together and then do a different group of muscles together. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Do you wanna see who I got my pull, press, squat day routine from?

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Please look at my links and READ some material before you go posting your idiotic remarks. It's funny because I'm posting links and evidence in almost EVERY one of my responses, and you have yet to post ANYTHING of any sort of value. Kinda ironic how you're the one telling me i don't know anything i'm talking about.




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Your picture looks pathetically weak with no calves or bicepts and I stopped watching on your zerker deadlift. Your legs were 75% straight before u picted up the bar.
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Your picture looks pathetically weak with no calves or bicepts and I stopped watching on your zerker deadlift. Your legs were 75% straight before u picted up the bar.
That wasn't me you idiot. And after reading your response I'm gonna stop replying, no point wasting my time with idiots. Good luck training!




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hey wukkadb dont listen to sgtsixpack, he doesn't get what your talkin about when u say compound and powerlifting... so let him have his bicept days and calve days and waste his time.. bodybuilding is only for looks.

but i have a question wukkadb.. i know powerlifting involves bench presses.. but i heard in mma they are pretty pointless.. and i shouldn't do them.. what u think about this?
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If u bothered to read the whole thread u will realise Wukkhkhss has only stopped posting because he finally got what I was saying and agrees with me. Makes no sence to train traps on both pull and push day. Added to that traps really are insignificant to both bodybuilding and MMA, so why train them twice? Leading to overtraining?

http://www.mmaforum.com/strength-pow...tml#post155923
Look at the date of that post it predates this entire thread. Wukkhkushsh probably learned what a "compound" movement was from me.

As for dissin' me, you are probably a 14 yr old kid so what do I care?

I knew that my post would be provocative, but in the end I decided to post it and Im not having some retard who has probably never been to a gym in his life tell me that "I have wasted 8 years training" and try to make out that he knows whats what. I posted here cause his training method is not the best thing since sliced bread, its got flaws.

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If u bothered to read the whole thread u will realise Wukkhkhss has only stopped posting because he finally got what I was saying and agrees with me. Makes no sence to train traps on both pull and push day. Added to that traps really are insignificant to both bodybuilding and MMA, so why train them twice? Leading to overtraining?

http://www.mmaforum.com/strength-pow...tml#post155923
Look at the date of that post it predates this entire thread. Wukkhkushsh probably learned what a "compound" movement was from me.

As for dissin' me, you are probably a 14 yr old kid so what do I care?

I knew that my post would be provocative, but in the end I decided to post it and Im not having some retard who has probably never been to a gym in his life tell me that "I have wasted 8 years training" and try to make out that he knows whats what. I posted here cause his training method is not the best thing since sliced bread, its got flaws.
What are my flaws? Also, how did that link prove anything? And, for the record, I NEVER do shrugs, so don't use that one against me.

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hey wukkadb dont listen to sgtsixpack, he doesn't get what your talkin about when u say compound and powerlifting... so let him have his bicept days and calve days and waste his time.. bodybuilding is only for looks.

but i have a question wukkadb.. i know powerlifting involves bench presses.. but i heard in mma they are pretty pointless.. and i shouldn't do them.. what u think about this?
Thanks for the love ricefarmer. As far as benching goes, I'm a little unsure about it. I still bench press every press day, but it is one of my worst lifts. I think that dumbell bench presses definitely have benefit to MMA though, as well as incline and decline. Close grip bench presses are also good to throw in.




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What are my flaws? Also, how did that link prove anything? And, for the record, I NEVER do shrugs, so don't use that one against me.
Ive got nothing against you. If u had posted, hey guys this is my routine and what do u think? I would have possibly given my advice and left it at that.

What you have done is set out a blueprint for everyone to follow, you are passing on what I perceive as some bad habits. Added to that you take you advice from a 21yr old who doesnt look all that impressive and has only been training for 2 years in weights.

You can do a fully bodybuilding program with 3 days a week, then why do a program which is not a total body workout; and judging from watching youtube injury prone? Only injurys Ive had is I pulled my back twice in 8 years of training (whilst doing squats), thats a pretty good ratio if u ask me.

If u cant do at least 4 reps its not bodybuilding (max 15 reps).
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