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Old 03-02-2009, 02:16 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I doubt it would make that much of a difference, unless you were going completely balls out. I'd always go with putting your heaviest compound movements first in a workout.
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I doubt it would make that much of a difference, unless you were going completely balls out. I'd always go with putting your heaviest compound movements first in a workout.
Your right, compound movements go before accessory/isolation exercises.

Power clean is a compound lift, the most superior compound lift there is... It is king.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:50 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I doubt it would make that much of a difference, unless you were going completely balls out. I'd always go with putting your heaviest compound movements first in a workout.
Ya but you can deadlift fine after powercleans, but no way in hell could you powerclean fine after heavy deadlifts.

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Na, the squat and deadlift > the powerclean by far. You might make an argument for clean and press > squat/deadlift though, if you count that as one "compound lift."
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Your right, compound movements go before accessory/isolation exercises.

Power clean is a compound lift, the most superior compound lift there is... It is king.
No it is not. Not at all. And the Deadlift uses more muscles and heavier loads.

Wukka I usually do my oly stuff after heavy lifting. And did you even sleep last night? Or did you just leave your computer on logged in here or some shit? I pulled an all nighter and you seem to be hear the whole time I am.
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No it is not. Not at all. And the Deadlift uses more muscles and heavier loads.

Wukka I usually do my oly stuff after heavy lifting. And did you even sleep last night? Or did you just leave your computer on logged in here or some shit? I pulled an all nighter and you seem to be hear the whole time I am.
Yes it is a compound lift (A compound lift is an exercise that stimulates 2 or more muscles), and no deadlift does not use MORE muscles. Yes, deadlift can provide heavier loads. You are 1 for 3!

Lets not get hung up on details. Do the olympic lifts first.

"Lifts such as power cleans involve very high power outputs and high rates of force production, both of which can transfer to increased speed and explosiveness on the field or court. As Olympic-style lifts tend to be total body exercises, they increase neuromuscular co-ordination and that buzzword... core stability."

Resource: http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/power-clean.html

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I wasn't saying it wasn't a compound lift, I was sayhing it isn't "the king of lifts". Which it isn't.

To say the deadlift "uses" more muscles would be false, but it does hit a lot more muscles harder than a powerclean.

Lets get hung up on details. Besides being "the most superior compound lift there is"(lol) give me a valid reason why he needs to powerclean before he deadlifts.
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Wukka I usually do my oly stuff after heavy lifting. And did you even sleep last night? Or did you just leave your computer on logged in here or some shit? I pulled an all nighter and you seem to be hear the whole time I am.
I actually went to bed fairly early last night, about 1 AM. I was online all night though, which I'm usually not. I live in SD so I imagine our time is way different. And you should try to do powercleans before deadlifts... it helps warm up the body for deads, and you will be more focused on doing correct powercleans. Everyone on the S+P board has just always told me that Oly lifts should be first in a routine, assuming that you are doing them. If you didn't have powercleans on your pull day, you would definitely do deads first.
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I've always done explosive/oly lifts first just because they are more taxing to me and DLs dont have to be speedy But I am with wukka and TN that the clean is certainly not the king of compound lifts. Use 2 guys, one just uses the DL and one just the clean and the guy DLing will be much stronger. That quote you posted Patriot just says what everyone knows, I mean... they are called explosive lifts.

To the OP, throw some leg work in, squats or something please
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King in regards of explosiveness as your goal. Which is VITAL to anyone practicing MMA for cage fighting that is.
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