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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 08-29-2009, 06:04 PM Thread Starter
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Are Weights a Must?

I have come accross a few different opinions to weight training.

Even in my club there is a bit of a devide when it comes to this.
There are 3 groups of people.

1. Weight training is a must to gain strength in mma.
2. BW excersises are all you need and cardio.
3. You dont need to do weights at all.

No personaly I enjoy doing weight training even though I dnt train weights as extensivly as i once did.

But I put the question to you.
Weights or no weights or somewhere in between?

Its almost as if I like to be tapped out! lol
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oh well people must be sick of me lol

Its almost as if I like to be tapped out! lol
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post #3 of 36 (permalink) Old 09-01-2009, 09:34 AM
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There's no such thing as a must.

However if you wanted to get stronger what would be the fastest way? Lifting weights....
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very true i agree with you but some people may not. A few people at my gym dont bother with weights anymore and stick to bw excersises.

Its almost as if I like to be tapped out! lol
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FWIW, there's a school of thought amongst some extremely old school martial arts instructors that frowns upon weight training.

I lift 2-3x a week, but I do a lot of other stuff that conditions and tones muscle over time, like pad and bag work.


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I think core exercises and improving the strength of muscles that you will require i.e. hips when your on your back etc. is required if you want to have a bit of an advantage. At the very least you want to be able to be competitive and not get muscled around.

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yeah i agree....weight training can give you a good edge and helps you against people who are naturaly strong. But i think technique is deffinately better than strength but if you can get both then perfect.

I have noticed though that a lot of people who can lift really heavy weights in the gym dont feel as strong on the mats as you would think. Is there a reason for this?

Its almost as if I like to be tapped out! lol
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yeah i agree....weight training can give you a good edge and helps you against people who are naturaly strong. But i think technique is deffinately better than strength but if you can get both then perfect.

I have noticed though that a lot of people who can lift really heavy weights in the gym dont feel as strong on the mats as you would think. Is there a reason for this?
I don't know if this relates at all, but there was a study about baseball players who use "donuts" to weight their bats down while on deck. They claim that the added weight makes them swing the bat faster once the donut is removed. The scientifical evidence showed that the added weight conditioned their muscles to swing that weight, and when swinging something lighter bat speed and contact power were greatly REDUCED. The muscles utilize the weight of the bat to gain momentum for power and speed. Take the weight away and the power/speed drops. I hope you guys understand that because I half confused myself writing it!

As I said, I have no idea if that relates at all, but it's a pretty logical thought.

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yeah i think i get what you mean. dont know how it relates but it is certainly an ineresting point.

Its almost as if I like to be tapped out! lol
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Let me preface with this ...by no means am I an expert at anything related to fighting or training... so bear with me as I give my un-educated, completely speculative opinion.


if your intent is to swing a bat as fast and as hard as possible... then your brain has to trigger the correct muscles to maintain the bat at a particular level and contract at the appropriate time with maximum force.

When you put a weight on the bat, you brain is triggering different muscles to compensate for the increased 'downward' force to keep the bat level... this has little to no impact, IMHO, for increasing performance of swinging a non weighted bat... but could actually be detrimental since it changes the parameters the brain was initially considering with the weight off.

That said, I think weights and training have a symbiotic relationship... depending on your end goal.

IMHO, technique is the foundation to build on. Weight training supplements technique. Rarely do you find successful mma fighters that start off as power lifters (although some try their hand it it).

But obviously power comes into play when dealing with opponents that are as technically savy as yourself.

IMHO, weight training can help fine tune an mma fighter... give an edge when necessary... the caveat is to not be overly dependent on that factor. ie. expecting to simply be the stronger of the two.
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