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Originally Posted by joshua7789
You should see how GSP did in ADCC, then compare that with shields. Also, GSP has four wins by sub in MMA. BJ has five and isnt really a welterweight. Shields has ten. The numbers dont lie.
Winning more fights by submission doesnt mean you have a better ground game, Jeremy Horn has 49 wins by submission, Demian Maia has 8, does that mean Horn has a better ground game? Rousimar Palhares has 6 and when he fought Horn it was clear who had the better ground game. Bottom line is your logic is clearly flawed. Im certain GSP could hold his own in ADCC but that doesnt mean anything either as his top control and GnP (also part of the ground game) are so far ahead of Shield is ridiculous. Id also like to point out BJ may not be a WW but he is a World Jiu-Jitsu Champion and he did it in 3 years of training that is insane.
Winning more fights by submission doesnt mean you have a better ground game, Jeremy Horn has 49 wins by submission, Demian Maia has 8, does that mean Horn has a better ground game? Rousimar Palhares has 6 and when he fought Horn it was clear who had the better ground game. Bottom line is your logic is clearly flawed. Im certain GSP could hold his own in ADCC but that doesnt mean anything either as his top control and GnP (also part of the ground game) are so far ahead of Shield is ridiculous. Id also like to point out BJ may not be a WW but he is a World Jiu-Jitsu Champion and he did it in 3 years of training that is insane.
Comparing Jeremy Horn and Maia doesnt go well because they are nowhere near being in the same ball park when it comes to the number of fights. Shields, GSP and BJ are all within ten fights of each other, much more realistic comparison. GSP didnt hold his own in ADCC, Leo Santos pwned him (Shields went on to beat Santos). I dont think GSP would have nearly as much success with his ground and pound on Shields. We are talking about a guy with great wrestling and a great sub game who probably is very similar to GSP when it comes to strength. This is one of those things that is all pretty much up to the observer until they actually do fight. I really hope this happens someday. I would still bet on GSP to win, but thats because he wouldnt be in any hurry to go to the ground.
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No see my issue is your using faulty logic, your arguements are all based on who is the better pure grappler which Shield may be but in MMA GSP's vastly supperior wrestling and better all around top game are on a completly diffrent level than Shields. I will admit though to not being familiar with GSP in ADCC. Your also assuming because GSP has less submission wins that he has a worse ground game but the truth is GSP just has a more well rounded game that offers him more ways to finish the fight, Shields is a solid WW and a great fighter but GSP is simply on a whole diffrent level.
No faulty logic in my arguements. Just facts. GSp probably does have better wrestling, but he hasnt faced anyone with the proven mma ground game that shields has. BJ is a very decorated jiu jitsu practitioner, but his bread and butter in mma isnt his ground game,its his boxing. If you think thats wrong, then watch his fights. Koschek, Fitch, and Hughes are all great wrestlers, but in mma or grappling, non of them have anything on Shield's ground game. This is a guy who beat Yushin Okami, one of the strongest middleweights out there (the fight was at 175), He would be more then able to deal with GSP's strength and control on the ground.
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again though, your faulting BJ because he has a great boxing, that doest mean his BJJ is any less amazing BJ has a sick guard but he doesnt use his BJJ as often because he doesnt have to same reason GSP doesnt have as many submission wins. I realize Shields is a good fighter and you dont have to quote his resume to me to make me see that but there is no shame in not beign on St. Pierre's level few in the sport are. GSP's control on the ground is possibly the best in the sport and despite Okami's being good it is a far cry from GSP's.
, and josjua if you think Shields is better than any UFC WW on the ground your delusional, .
Sheilds is better than damn near every UFC WW on the ground.
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. GSP didnt hold his own in ADCC, Leo Santos pwned him (Shields went on to beat Santos). I dont think GSP would have nearly as much success with his ground and pound on Shields. .
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