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GSP has a better overal ground game than Shields, he has better wrestling, better control from the top, very strong and explosive. Shields might have better pure grappling, but B.J also has better pure grappling than GSP. B.J uses his boxing a lot, yes, but that is because he is really good at it. Why go to your ground game if you can win standing? B.J's guard control is awesome, it's on a really, really high level, and GSP absolutely tore through his guard like a monster.
Shields is a good fighter, but ready for the beast that is GSP? I don't think so.
Shields is a good fighter, but ready for the beast that is GSP? I don't think so.
I heard the same arguments with Sakurai and Yushin Okami in regards to Shields as far as all around skillset was concerned. No problem here.
On the ground I'm not saying that Jake would win this fight but I guarantee that he'd give St. Pierre fits. GSP would have to use his TDD and striking to try and win this one.
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I gotta disagree with you J.P. I believe GSP could take Shields down and control him, pass his guard and obliterate him with strikes or knees. GSP absolutly dominated Penn and Serra on the ground, didnt just control them and win but absolutly destroyed them, I think to believe he couldnt control Shields is ludicrous.
I gotta disagree with you J.P. I believe GSP could take Shields down and control him, pass his guard and obliterate him with strikes or knees. GSP absolutly dominated Penn and Serra on the ground, didnt just control them and win but absolutly destroyed them, I think to believe he couldnt control Shields is ludicrous.
BJ is too small. He is also a BJJ fighter.
Shields is much bigger than BJ and he not only has BJJ but grappling as well, his grappling skills are world class and could possibly negate another great grapplers skills.
As far as BJ is concerned, size matters. So it's hard to fit him into this equation.
I heard the same arguments with Sakurai and Yushin Okami in regards to Shields as far as all around skillset was concerned. No problem here.
On the ground I'm not saying that Jake would win this fight but I guarantee that he'd give St. Pierre fits. GSP would have to use his TDD and striking to try and win this one.
As far as overal skill, I never said anything bad about Shields. Hell, I believe he can even be put in that "underrated" category at WW.
However, on the ground, with GSP, I see him being controlled. GSP made B.J look like a child, he passed his guard effortlessly. Shields is good on the ground, I see him giving fits to many guys at WW, but GSP's ground control is on another level, far beyond anyone else at WW, I'd even say far beyond most at all other weights as well.
As far as overal skill, I never said anything bad about Shields. Hell, I believe he can even be put in that "underrated" category at WW.
However, on the ground, with GSP, I see him being controlled. GSP made B.J look like a child, he passed his guard effortlessly. Shields is good on the ground, I see him giving fits to many guys at WW, but GSP's ground control is on another level, far beyond anyone else at WW, I'd even say far beyond most at all other weights as well.
I'll remain at a stalemate here because I'm not sold on either of these guys defeating the other. I'm a Shields fan, but I'm not going to say at this point that he'd go out and defeat GSP.
At the same time if GSP was to beat Shields I don't see it being on the ground. Shields is extremly strong and technical in the ground game.
Non MMA victories in ground fights over Fitch, Diego Sanchez, and Vinny Magalhaes have proven this. As well as MMA victories over extremley high ranked fighters. Shields and GSP are in the same catagory on the ground IMO. GSP having the slight standing edge at this point. Though not by much other than his superman punch.
I'll remain at a stalemate here because I'm not sold on either of these guys defeating the other. I'm a Shields fan, but I'm not going to say at this point that he'd go out and defeat GSP.
At the same time if GSP was to beat Shields I don't see it being on the ground. Shields is extremly strong and technical in the ground game.
Non MMA victories in ground fights over Fitch, Diego Sanchez, and Vinny Magalhaes have proven this. As well as MMA victories over extremley high ranked fighters. Shields and GSP are in the same catagory on the ground IMO. GSP having the slight standing edge at this point. Though not by much other than his superman punch.
The non-MMA fights with guys like Fitch are much different than MMA grappling, so I'm not sure why you would bring those up? I stated that Shields pure grappling is better than most guys at WW, probably even better than GSP as well.
However, in MMA, it's much different having someone who is so explosive and strong, punch you, knee you, grind on you, than having to just worry about submissions. GSP's ground and pound is lethal, he put put Penn away with pure strikes and ground and pound, Penn didn't even know where he was going into the third. No one has ever done that to Penn, as he has an amazing ground game, an amazing guard, and GSP crushed him, absolutely crushed him. In a pure grappling match, that fight wouldn't have gone the same way. I mean, if Penn wasing getting destroyed from strikes, there is a good chance he would have been able to catch GSP in a submission.
I understand Penn is a natural LW and not a WW, but Penn isn't a small WW, he average, it's GSP who is a huge WW.
Anyways, I like Shields, and I think he would do well against most at WW, I even think he would do "well" against GSP, but I don't see him winning the fight once GSP takes him down.
The non-MMA fights with guys like Fitch are much different than MMA grappling, so I'm not sure why you would bring those up? I stated that Shields pure grappling is better than most guys at WW, probably even better than GSP as well.
However, in MMA, it's much different having someone who is so explosive and strong, punch you, knee you, grind on you, than having to just worry about submissions. GSP's ground and pound is lethal, he put put Penn away with pure strikes and ground and pound, Penn didn't even know where he was going into the third. No one has ever done that to Penn, as he has an amazing ground game, an amazing guard, and GSP crushed him, absolutely crushed him. In a pure grappling match, that fight wouldn't have gone the same way. I mean, if Penn wasing getting destroyed from strikes, there is a good chance he would have been able to catch GSP in a submission.
I understand Penn is a natural LW and not a WW, but Penn isn't a small WW, he average, it's GSP who is a huge WW.
Anyways, I like Shields, and I think he would do well against most at WW, I even think he would do "well" against GSP, but I don't see him winning the fight once GSP takes him down.
As I've said, I'll remain in a stalemate in the who would win argument with you.
BJ sucks at WW regardless. Look at his WW record. It isn't even above .500 So that is a moot point.
As far as GSP grinding on Shields. It's possible. But during that grind a submission by Shields is even more possible. If GSP wins this fight, it would be striking.
As I've said, I'll remain in a stalemate in the who would win argument with you.
BJ sucks at WW regardless. Look at his WW record. It isn't even above .500 So that is a moot point.
As far as GSP grinding on Shields. It's possible. But during that grind a submission by Shields is even more possible. If GSP wins this fight, it would be striking.
I won't disagree that a submission is definitely possible by Shields from the bottom, I just don't see it happening.
Also, B.J's BJJ and ground game doesn't suck at any weight, he is a top level grappler. He may gas out more at WW, but his skills are the same.
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